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Old 04-09-2011, 08:52 PM
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Default advice on tying a good looking head

hi all, I'm lookin for some advice on how to tie a nice looking round head on my flies. I either end up with a very fat head or one that has no shape to it. any info would be great.

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Old 04-09-2011, 09:15 PM
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I am no expert myself but I find that if you give your self a space about the width of the eyelet to work in and try to use the slightest thread appropriate to the hook or technique you should be okay, also by spinning your bobbin anti clockwise -assuming you are right handed- and flattening the thread you can make large heads nice and smooth, to get those nice glassy finished heads first use a black varnish then recoat with clear. By the way the fish are not all that fussy about how well you finish them ,I have taken to not using varnish on my dries I double whip finish instead. PJ
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By the way the fish are not all that fussy about how well you finish them...
Paddy is right. It's largely a cosmetic exercise. Not that there's anything wrong with taking pride in the finish and wanting to make your flies perfect. If you strive for perfection at the head, then it's likely you're just as concerned with what goes on behind it.
As far as building the head goes, make sure you end up in a position to build the head as you like it... plan the fly out, make sure every turn counts and that you don't apply any unnecessary turns.
A tip which might help: As you come towards the end of the tie, and are tying off this, securing that and adding the other, maybe adding a shoulder hackle or biots/splits etc, undo a couple of the turns that secured the last item before placing the next item in position.... for example, you may tie down the rib (near the eye, obviously) and then tie down the shoulder hackle on top of where the rib finished. In this case then, undo two of the three turns you used to secure the rib (what, you used 10? Why?), position the stalk (or tip) of the shoulder hackle and secure with two or three turns. You just bought yourself two or three turns. The rib hasn't lost any securing turns because they are re-applied when securing the hackle. If you're then going to add JC or biots, do the same again... take off a couple of turns that you applied to secure the shoulder hackle... and so on. Some flies have a surprising amount of tying off/tying in of materials at head end, so if you do this each time, you could buy yourself a dozen turns less. That's a dozen turns that won't be bulking things up at the head end.

Flat multistrand thread (UTC etc) can be more forgiving than single strand and give you smoother finish.
For finishing, with varnish etc... apply two coats of your chosen gloop.... the first coat soaks in a seals the head, second one fills the gaps and 'self levels' to give that glassy finish. Presto Hey!
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Any time mate, no, really, don't mention it.
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Well I'll say thank you Rob. Copied your answer into my tying folder. Good advice and new ideas for me. I do reasonably ok with my heads these days but a cock up never seems to far away and still happens. I really like the wrap on take a bit off plan and have started to use it.

Great answer thanks.

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Thanks for that Chris Glad it helped. Not that it's the definitive answer, or a top secret, or the post took me all day. Would have been nice, not to mention, common courtesey for the thread starter to acknowledge his replies. Not that myself and others do it for the thanks either; sometimes it's just nice to know how they get on.
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If you end up with a fat head you can always claim you tied it "Huffer style"

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Yeah Scratch like Christy I am finding the wraps off tip very helpful, its remarkable how once the material is initially set in place with say five wraps three can be removed quite safely, I am currently playing about with multiple hairwings and I find it particularly helpful in this context. Cheers. PJ
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