Buoyant Kates

[Cap'n Fishy]

Just 'thinking out loud' at the vice here...

So, I'm trying to get tuned in to the fact that folk are using hogs, pretty much as 'boobies for brownies'. And, I'm tying up some for a try. I'm used to tying my hogs as dry flies - basically I just do a single bunch of deer hair, so it is like an F-fly with deer hair in place of CDC. Works a treat. Been used to calling it a 'half-hog'.

Back to the wet fly thing and tuning-in to the idea of it being buoyant enough to pull it under and have it bob back up - OK probably needs more buoyancy and appreciate folk are putting in 4 or 5 bunches of deer to make a kosher hog. OK - can do - but with some of the straggly stuff I have in fancy colours, you are sitting there tamping away with the stacker for several minutes with every bunch before it is fit for tying in.

Anyway, here's a full on Kate hog done in such manner...

And, my mind wanders back to last season, and an outing at Linlithgow, when I was trying and failing to get the fish to take my dry fly, while my boat partner was drawing fish after fish to a foam-arsed-blob

Well folks...

I present, as a topic for discussion, the FAK

Why stop there? Every 5-bunch hog takes an age to tie, whereas every FA-wet fly takes the normal time.

I appreciate that makes me an instant Philistine even to suggest such a thing, but hey-ho... I'm off to Gladhouse on Saturday, I'm packing some FAKs and I'm gonna give 'em a swim. Will revert.

Col

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There is a line in fly tying that should not be crossed,

THAT thing is so far over that line that the line looks like a dot

I reckon it will work a treat though

Shhh, Don't tell anyone, but I've done a few Kate Boobies, they work a treat.

I like the bit of sparkle in the top hog as well - looks good.

[Cap'n Fishy]

Originally Posted by weight_forward

There is a line in fly tying that should not be crossed,

THAT thing is so far over that line that the line looks like a dot

I reckon it will work a treat though

Shhh, Don't tell anyone, but I've done a few Kate Boobies, they work a treat.

I like the bit of sparkle in the top hog as well - looks good.

Been using Kate boobies for years

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I did think there was a good possibility that this thread could rapidly go all 'finbar saunders'

[roll cast]

FAK'ing hell that unusual

Nice idea should work, have you done a boobie Kate yet.

[Scratch]

I think it's a profile, density, and water shifting thing with the 'whole hog' , and not necessarily a buoyancy thing Col. I mostly just treat my hogs as wets, using them most often on the bob and occasionally in the middle. sometimes I'll pop one on the tail... not seeking any great feats of buoynacy, as per a booby or F.A.B., but just to 'hold my end up', so to speak, and accentuate the curve when used in conjunction with a sinker.

[Cap'n Fishy]

Originally Posted by Scratch

I think it's a profile, density, and water shifting thing with the 'whole hog' , and not necessarily a buoyancy thing Col. I mostly just treat my hogs as wets, using them most often on the bob and occasionally in the middle. sometimes I'll pop one on the tail... not seeking any great feats of buoynacy, as per a booby or F.A.B., but just to 'hold my end up', so to speak, and accentuate the curve when used in conjunction with a sinker.

Aye, obviously the profiles are radically different Rob, but I was singling out the times when you are using it to hold your end up - or do the pull-down and bob-up thing. And they are both going to do the water shifting thing - but then a muddler does that too - tho' maybe not as much as the FA... I got my arse skelped that night on Linlithgow and it was all about the water-shifting thing - big bow wave coming after a wee bow wave. Room for a bit experimentation anyway... if the wind ever drops sufficient to let me out fishing again

Col

[Scratch]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Fishy

I got my arse skelped that night on Linlithgow....

Don't lose any sleep over getting skelped by some **** fishing a F.A.B. Col... the mother of all anti-flies.

[menteith]

Co-mon Rob the FAB is a wonderfull fly.

Graeme.

[maharg]

Something similair the other night.
I was out with my daughter,my pal in another boat was getting fish after fish to a short lined , waked, shipmans. I was rising the odd fish but not as many. The thing was my flies were fishing just sub surface and not creating the same amount of wake.
It was that critical.

p.s. love the idea Colin