Thanks guys. The "VN Synthentic Quills" I have to admit I thought VN stood for Veniard! ( I admit I never read the sidebar about the author- or at least not as closely to relate the mention of Virtual Nymph with the "VN" in the example article. I did a search and I see there is a website
Virtual Nymph - Home so will have a look there. I do understand what you mean re: tying the feather on from below the Thorax - I can see how that would work
thanks a lot- brilliant Something to try when my new vice comes for my birthday