A duo of olives

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Here's a few shot of some olives I've been tying up based on some patterns from the modern traditionals series in FF&FT which if you haven't seen it, to me it has been excellent with some superb patterns by George Barron (and Scratch chipping in with the odd one too )

Claret Olive




Sooty Hatching Olive




Comments greatfully received - Steve

[savage take]

very neat as usual Steve. what,s the wing in the second one.

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Top one's Starling, bottom one's Mallard.

[silversedge]

Superb Steve,this ones had a few fish this back end,maybe should have tried it today

[edd7]

Excellent steve,,What is the head hackles on them ?

Like yours 2 wullie ,,

yous guys are inspiring me to get into this big time

cheers
Eddie

[stevekale]

Nice ties. I need to do more wets.

But I really am scratching my head at the "claret olive" concept. What's olive about the first one?

[Scratch]

Originally Posted by stevekale

I really am scratching my head at the "claret olive" concept. What's olive about the first one?

Olive, as in Cloeon simile (Lake Olive), and Cloeon Dipterum (Pond Olive).

Not an awful lot of claret going on in either species, at any stage of the cycle, apart from maybe a quick burst during the hatching stage... maybe this helps explain the otherwise nonsensical, but widely recognised and accepted use of claret within Olive patterns.

Nice work Steve... particularly like the bottom one

[stevekale]

Originally Posted by Scratch

Not an awful lot of claret going on in either species, at any stage of the cycle, apart from maybe a quick burst during the hatching stage... maybe this helps explain the otherwise nonsensical, but widely recognised and accepted use of claret within Olive patterns.

Cheers Scratch. Seems very random to me. I wonder what led the early tiers to sit down at their vice and think "I reckon claret will work nicely".

EDIT: I did a little poking around. The coloration of the dipterum male imago lends itself to claret. Much less so the female.

http://www.bioimages.org.uk/html/t22166.htm

The simile duns wouldn't seem to lend themselves to the use of claret. Even as spinners they're more chestnut brown in colour (and hence the label "apricot spinner").

It would be interesting if those steeped in knowledge about traditional wets could shed light on the use of various colours (and structure) for flies intended to target fish feeding on particular insects.