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Old 05-10-2010, 06:08 PM
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As an alternative to epoxy is it any good? Has anybody tried it? If you believe everything you read? It sounds great and is it value for the money?
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:16 PM
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Bug bond is better.....
It is only good value for money if you are going to use it! Sounds obvious but I bet that 90% of all these clear cure resins go solid in the bottle as they are not stored properly or ever used up.
Even epoxy will dry up in time.
If you are going to tie dozens of hard headed/shell backed flies then yes it is good value, especially now the torch has come down to a reasonable price,
Clear Cure goo is better than Tuffleeye.
The guys on here who use Bug bond like it a lot. I know several people who have bought clear cure goo and are happy enough with it but prefer Bug Bond. However they dont use enough to justify changing over.

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Chris Newsome, an innovative fly tyer and guide from the Virginia"s Chesapeake Bay has done an extensive comparison with the new UV-cure glues that are now replacing epoxies. His findings are worth noting.

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"This tutorial will discuss the light cured glu...es that are hitting the fly tying scene. Several years back, Tuffleye arrived as the first light cured acrylic marketed for fly tying. I’m always curious about experimenting with new products, so I was quick to purchase some Tuffleye and the blue flashlight used to cure it. Tuffleye was touted as fast curing, non-yellowing replacement for epoxy. After tying and fishing Tuffleye, I found it to be brittle with a thick slimy outer coating. The outer slim needed to be whipped off and coated with nail polish which added another couple steps to the tying process. To properly cure the Tuffleye took a few minutes and even then the acrylic would often discolor to a brownish, yellow over time. I got discouraged with the product and stopped using it. Light cured acrylics evolved when Clear Cure Goo (CCG) entered the market with a UV light cured glue. In my opinion, Clear Cure Goo was a vast improvement over Tuffleye. CCG cured in seconds with no discoloring, greater durability and less outer slim coat than Tuffleye. Clear Cure Goo and Tuffleye now offer flexible versions of their produces, too. While both flexible versions have a sticky outer coating they open lots of possibilities to tying. At the end of 2009, another player called Bug-Bond upped the ante. To date, Bug-Bond is producing the best light cured acrylic available to fly tiers. It has the properties of CCG while being virtually tack-free (Clear Cure Goo offers a somewhat less slimy version now). I have found that Bug-Bond has a multitude of uses in fly tying and beyond. With a cure time of about 5 seconds, it really speeds up the tying process. I now use Bug-Bond in place of just about every glue at my tying table including CA super glues, Goop, Fletchtite, nail polish, epoxy and others. I use it to coat thread on the head of flies, to adhere and coat stick-on eyes for durability, for crease flies and foam poppers, to adhere hackle to the hook on half-n-half and deceiver style patterns, to support and stabilize material in its desired place and the uses go on and on. One concern with the light cured glues is exposing your eyes to excessive UV or blue light. While the effects of these flashlights are still up for debate, I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to protecting my eyes. To limit exposure, I wear a pair of UVA-UVB sunglasses and close my eyes while the light is on during the 5 second curing process. As the light cured acrylics continue to evolve, who knows what advancements are in store for the future. It is an exciting time to be a fly tyer! "
Here is a link to some of his innovative flies http://www.bayflyfishing.com/flytying.ht

Hope this is of use.

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Chris,

"Bug bond is better....."

You haven't explained why you think it is better!

Bug Bond is available in one "thickness" - CC Goo is available in "thick" (same as B Bond); "thin" - great for coating and soaking into dubbed bodies; "brushable" - very good for speedy coating of buzzers and "Flexible" - nothing else like it on the market. CC Goo is also available in "Tack Free" which matches Bug Bond.

I would be interested to hear a your views as I am assuming that you have compared both products...

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Thank you very much for your replies,as i only tie for myself you are probably right Chris it would go off before i could use it all and as it is not cheap to set up i will probably give it a miss.
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Thank you very much for your replies,as i only tie for myself you are probably right Chris it would go off before i could use it all and as it is not cheap to set up i will probably give it a miss.
I've used Goo for a month or two now, can't really see it drying up. I spilt some on my tying table one afternoon only to discover it some hours later, simply picked it up with a dubbing needle and on it went.

I find it easy to use, having said that I only use the syringe to get some out then I build it up on the bug with aforementioned dubbing needle, it is so easy to control and the light arrests it almost instantly. I have the thick and thin and have yet to try the non tack version. Both of mine are slightly tacky when finished. A quick brush with Sally Hansans hard as nails clear varnish fixes that in around 20 secs-dry.

I would recommend Goo, it's a cinch to use.
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CCG v BB

Phil, (and others of course)

I prefer Bug Bond simply because I find it easy to work with and like the results, I tried CCG in the states at the January show in Somerset and had no real problems with it,but the finish was a bit oily. I'd want to put varnish or Sally Hanson over it to stop that, although I've not tried the new tack free CG, nor have I used it long term.

As for different thickness or viscosity of CCG v BB I've not needed any other thickness, I've done buzzers, nymphs and saltwater with BB with no problem and you can brush it through the fibres which was one of the selling points for me.

In the end it will always come down to personal preference but in this I'm guided by other's experiences too, as you know, the guys who tie in large volumes are the ones to speak to, and Andy Elliot ties more saltwater and large flies than most and Steve Silverios work speaks for itself.

I know it is difficult to pick out those who are "supporting the team" and those who are giving independant opinions on things like this so I'll declare my hand, since posting the comparison, (which came from the states via another friend, incidentally about 2 days before this thread opened)
I have been asked to join the Bug Bond Pro Team so now have an interest in the product, but didn't when I posted the above, nor was the post an attempt to get an invitation to the BB team.

As for the stuff going off, it is UV sensitive, It will cure in the daylight as daylight is where most UV naturally comes from isn't it? If you coat a buzzer in Bug Bond and leave it on the window sill it will dry in a couple of days to the same finish that you get with the torch. It doesnt dry instantly as the light from the UV torch is much stronger. That's why its sold in black bottles. Leave it out or with the top off and you'll have problems.
If stored properly there shouldn't be a real issue with any of these products over a reasonable period so only time will tell but my Bug Bond lives in the wine fridge in a box.
My Superglue, Epoxy and Goop were all stored on the fly bench and all went hard on me last year even though they were properly sealed.


Of course none of these products are not going to stand still and all the manufacturers will be developing and improving their stuff as we speak.

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Chris,

Many congrats on being asked to join the pro team for Bug Bond!

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As an alternative to epoxy is it any good? Has anybody tried it? If you believe everything you read? It sounds great and is it value for the money?
horses50,
you have had a couple of opinions there, here is my simple and honest assessment of the product
CCG is excellent, it does everything it says on the tin and it is non-toxic.
take a look at Home
I've been using CCG for over a year and find it is without equal.

I tried Bug Bond. It is very good.
However I find it very runny and it emits a nauseous odour.
I forget what is on the contents list.

I also must declare an interest as I was involved in development of Clear Cure Goo and the owner and I have been going fishing together for years.
I stand by CCG because of its green credentials and ease of use.

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You might also like to consider UV Nail Gel available in clear,colours and some colours with sparkle ...Lamps are available as well at around £20...lots sold on Ebay etc in Nail Art section.

If you need a torch with a wavelength of 395nm then try here .
NET PC DIRECT, 12 LED Ultra Violet (UV) Torch, 395nm Wavelenth
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