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Orvis Hydros vs Helios Review
Orvis Hydros vs Helios Review
Head to head with some interesting results
Published by scotty9
24-01-2010
Default Orvis Hydros vs Helios Review

The Orvis Hydros is Orvis’ latest addition to their rod range. It is meant to be the same blank but with cheaper components; the guides and the reelseat. The rod of each range that was tested was the 9′ #5 tip flex. The rods were tested with a varietyof lines namely, Snowbee XS, Rio Gold and SA Mastery Distance. There is a difference, a big difference.

The review is based on the opinion of three seperate casters casting both rods on water and then in the field against a tape. On water both rods are very good, in fact dammed difficult to tell anything between them in a simple pick up and lay down cast. The location restricted possible casts with the water. There’s only so much I can say here as it’s impossible to put into words what the “feel” is etc. Both rods have quite a fast recovery and are marketed as tip flex but in truth you can bend them if you so desire. In terms of roll/spey casting both rods perform well, with the group concensus being the Helios had a very slight edge but again it depends on your preference of feeling. The main difference between these two rods became apparent when we went into the field…

The reason for heading to the field intially was for a shootout but it developed into a test of more depth than out and out distance. First step was to cast as long as line as possible. Then we brought a target increasingly closer from 90′ down about 20′ at a time. Immediately the difference was apparent, the Hydros is a wee bit stiffer and miles more stable at longer range. And by miles I really do mean miles. It’s an unbelievable difference for what is supposedly the same blank! As the targets got closer the Hydros still out performed the Helios until around 45′-50′ when the Helios was that wee bit sweeter at closer range. The other two testers favoured the Helios at close range but I think I slightly preferred the Hydros at all distances. I prefer the slightly firmer feel but that’s a totally subjective point. At distance the Helios feels too unstable and all three casters cast considerably further with the Hydros.

In conclusion if you consider there is a £200 price difference between these rods and in reality the cheaper one is the best performer across the full distance spectrum then why would you buy the Helios? The only answer I can think of, is you like to be seen with a bit of gold bling! Incidentally I bought the Hydros for £300 less than the Helios. I only gave the rod a 7/10 for value for money as it is 10/10 VFM in regard to the helios but it is still £400 if you buy here.

Cosmetically, not that it matters a hoot - the rod has a very nice deep blue finish to the blank. The cork on my rod is very good and that's about that for cosmetics.

Make of this review what you will, ideally try out both rods and choose the one you prefer. Also bear in mind this is only applicable to the 9′ #5 tip flex, the other models in each range may and most likely are a lot different.

Original review posted here: The Fly Casting Blog
(Also got Simon Gawesworth's book review, hope to review more items in the future)
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By zoomer on 24-01-2010, 06:59 PM
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as one of the aforementioned testers, he said trying to sound professional

i'd concurr, the hydros is slightly stiffer in feeling, beyond 50' it is considerably more stable, under 50' the helios has more feeling, i prefer the helios for roll casting.

cosmetically both rods look identical but different colours, the reel seat for example is the same only silver and the rings, handle etc line up in exactly the same place with the two rods together.
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By rookstorm on 24-01-2010, 07:11 PM
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WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO A FIELD TO TEST A ROD WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY ON THE WATER ? NOT MANY FISH CAUGHT IN FEILDS IF ON A RIVER YOU JUST CAST DOWNSTREAM TO GET THE DISTANCE. ON WATER BOTH ABOUT THE SAME,WELL IS THAT NOT WHAT WE WANT THEM FOR
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By scotty9 on 24-01-2010, 07:18 PM
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Rookstorm - main reason is the massive unsuitability of the location. It's a public boating pond with trees and a public walkway around it. Realistically it is only really much use for roll casting, also it's still half covered in ice. You're quite limited with the casts you can make, pick up and lay down is fine but say a 50-60' hauled cast you're really pushing the limits of space. Fishing on lochs a heck of a lot of my fishing is at or beyond this distance hence the field test. As i said we only went to the field mainly for a shootout!

When i said on water i should have clarified our location. It should read for pick up and lay down casts they are hard to tell apart.
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By Carlos on 24-01-2010, 08:04 PM
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Just a thought. If they are the same blank .......... have you uncovered the fact that every batch of rod, by any maker may be different.

Not saying I am right just an idea?
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By guest6 on 24-01-2010, 08:06 PM
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Very Good review Scotty. I have read it three times, and the conclusion i have reached is that due to the fact that you bought the Hydros, you are bias towards it.
I have done the same myself especially with the helios. To try and justify the cost i have said it was the best rod i had casted. It was'nt or is'nt.
I also believe that if you were blindfolded you could'nt tell the differance,neither could i for that matter. I have only tried the hydros on it's own so i can't compare it to the Helios directly only from memory.
I have owned a few helios's and to me they were one and the same.
Only my opinion Scotty. Keep the reviews coming I love this kind of thing.

Brian
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By zoomer on 24-01-2010, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rookstorm View Post
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO A FIELD TO TEST A ROD WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY ON THE WATER ? NOT MANY FISH CAUGHT IN FEILDS IF ON A RIVER YOU JUST CAST DOWNSTREAM TO GET THE DISTANCE. ON WATER BOTH ABOUT THE SAME,WELL IS THAT NOT WHAT WE WANT THEM FOR

its difficult to judge distances when the tape measure floats away

if your not casting to a specific distance your just guessing, this may sound a bit fussy but on water you would not feel any difference between some rods especially ones made with the same blank.

besides learners casting on water just cast to the sky, without a target they cast to the sky forever more.

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Just a thought. If they are the same blank .......... have you uncovered the fact that every batch of rod, by any maker may be different.
Not saying I am right just an idea?

your are right, terrifying thought eh
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By scotty9 on 24-01-2010, 08:24 PM
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Hi Brian,

In the review I tried to give the impression from my view, zoomer's view and teanau's view. All three of us cast significantly further with the hydros, there was no doubt with this result at all. At targets over 60' the hydros was the winner too. There is a BIG difference between zoomer's rod and mine. Whether this is reflected the same across other rods from the range would be interesting as Carlos points out!

Zoomer is the helios owner and said he preferred the hydros.*Ok i was close, he half prefers it* Again, as Carlos says, blank variation could play a big part. It would be interesting to try another hydros but my conclusion based on the rod I have is: there is definitely a difference - more than willing to let you try the hydros and compare the two and see what you think yourself?

I suppose the nature of this is I am slightly biased as you say, since I bought the thing! But the fact that all three of us reached the same conclusion leads me to be sure there is a difference. Regarding the blindfold, you'd pick them out straight away - again going by the two rods tested today.

This just occured to me, i bought the hydros on the proviso it would be as close as identical to the helios. So there was no expectation or wish of it being better - just the same as.
Last edited by scotty9; 24-01-2010 at 08:47 PM.. Reason: got it wrong
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By zoomer on 24-01-2010, 08:37 PM
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hey i like my er....slightly bendy helios! specially for roll casts, i still prefer it, but yes past 50/60 feet the hydros is dramatically more in control.

im not biast, i like them all in one way or another
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By Charliea1234 on 25-01-2010, 12:02 PM
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Excellent work lads.

The bad news is I just bought a second Helios, albeit second hand. Mine are 7 weights and I love the lightness especially in a 10ft model which is quite markedly lighter than anything else.

I've seen the Hydros but not cast it. Iinteresting to speculate on why it may be better if they are truly the same blank ??????????

Charlie
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