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Old 23-03-2007, 06:49 AM
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Well I'm off to old blighty on sunday and thought that I'd take the opportunity to fish some of my old haunts as a kid. The 'old haunt' in question is a set of canal locks that I used to fish very often but then with either a pole or a waggler rod. This time I'm going to try and winkle out a few fish with a #3.

There's a few outlets from the lock where I've caught roach upto a pound, dace, chub and small barbel, also a very rare occasions small trout Then along the lock walls roach, perch and gudgeon.

Now I've already tied up some PTNs, superglue buzzers, and various small dry flies, oh and some killer bugs in case of an emergency. But has anyone any other flies that they caught well on?
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Old 23-03-2007, 07:57 AM
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Morning Wiggy,

Just a word of caution on this. Check whether the canal has a close season or not. Although the close season on canals was abolished in 2000 (I think), there are some exceptions. For example if the canal is within a Site of Special Scientific Interest.

And of course, if a club or owner has the fishing rights (the owner may well be British Waterways), they are free to introduce a close season through club or fishery rules if they wish to.

So worth checking, or you may well get a friendly tap on your shoulder from an EA bailiff.

Oh, and your new licence from the 1st April if your around that long...!

On the fly side on things, try a bloodworm imitation too.

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Old 23-03-2007, 08:04 AM
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Morning Wiggy,

Just a word of caution on this. Check whether the canal has a close season or not. Although the close season on canals was abolished in 2000 (I think), there are some exceptions. For example if the canal is within a Site of Special Scientific Interest.

And of course, if a club or owner has the fishing rights (the owner may well be British Waterways), they are free to introduce a close season through club or fishery rules if they wish to.

So worth checking, or you may well get a friendly tap on your shoulder from an EA bailiff.

Oh, and your new licence from the 1st April if your around that long...!

On the fly side on things, try a bloodworm imitation too.

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Thanks Howard, didn't think about the closed season!

I checked on the EA homepage and the canals are open and this particular area I fish is EA controlled and not a SSSI region. So it's all ahead on that front. I'll certainly be buying a weeks long fishing licence, so that's covered.

As regards bloodworms, I've got those tied up too
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Glad its open Wiggy, hope the sun shines and you catch a few! And if the rudd are on the surface, try a really small black gnat. Enjoy; let us know how you get on.

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Old 23-03-2007, 09:18 AM
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Try a few size 18 gold head hares ears, Small black parachute dries 18-24. Thats all i would bring really.
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For perch, zander and jack pike try a white lure with the following dressing.

Lumi/chartreuse green bead head
Pearl/white fritz body
marabour tail.

The perch absolutely love it... catch a nice one (1lb+) and serve up as you would sea bass.

(You can put a tenner on some C&R-orientated members going )

But they're good to eat.
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Thanks for all the tips guys.

I've now got a stash of PTNs, GRHEs, bloodworms, killer bugs, buzzers and soon some killer perch catching lures.

It'd be nice to get a perch of a pound, though I've never eaten one. Have heard that they're gorgeous to eat....
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The perch absolutely love it... catch a nice one (1lb+) and serve up as you would sea bass.

Oh my God, as if all the Polish/European imigrants raiding our canals wasn't bad enough now we have anglers from within our own ranks advocating the plundering of fish stocks. These are NOT NOT NOT stocked fish...a nice kind fishery owner isn't gonna pile up every morning to replenish what you have removed.
You could also find yourself in serious trouble as most canal fisheries are owned by clubs and most of these, in their bylaws, ban the removal of ANY fish. I hope you do.
I've encountered some Polish anglers with dead roach, perch, pike and rudd on the tow paths and it really make my blood boil to see the rape of these waterways, which offer such fantastic (sometimes!), cheap, untapped flyfishing oportunities.
If you are that desparate for a cheap meal then go and catch a pigeon, from a town center, no-one will miss these and you won't be ruining venues for the "real" sporting anglers.
I can't catch what is in your fat gut. Put all non-stocked fish back alive, urban waterways are under heavy preasure, the situation may be different for a remote hill lock that gets fished once or twice a year, but not here.
I caught my first two river Soar trout on the fly last year, lovelly brownies of about a pound each. Would these have tasted nice? I'd have fought anyone that tried to take them...trout in the middle of a city are part of a very fragile ecology. Hopefully I'll catch one of them again this season but alas I hear of some bait anglers taking any trout they land...I can only do my bit, and so should you. Do you want great fishing or a few second rate meals?
If you cannot respect the different types of fisheries open to you then I suggest you stick to the "stocked trout ponds", where you can smash the skull of everything you land, safe in the knowledge there will be more and even dumber ones waiting the next time.
The only skulls I'll be thinking of smashing, when on the tow-paths, are a lot tougher than fish ones but they contain less grey matter...weird!
I hope my thoughts make some of you think about your actions. I originally come from a coarse angling background and have been shocked how far behind, a minority from, the fly fraternity appear to be on conservation matters. Wild trout, yeah we all love those but f#@k any other wild species seems to be the attitude. As fly fishing expands it's horrizons, as regards different venues and species, so our attitude (or is it education?) needs to expand too.
This is my first post but won't be my last, I've read too much outdated **** from people who should be silenced...those attitudes wouldn't make it onto the pages of the angling press and nor should they be breeding here.
Thanks for listening. Dee
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Hi Wingy.
I've done loads of canal fly fishing...caught a few roach only last week on small (#20) black/peacock spiders, fished sub surface to sighted fish, when the sun was out. At this time of year though the canals are very hard on the fly, with a few exceptions. I've found that you need clear(ish) water to consistently catch the silver species in the colder months...at least 12 inch of visibility, on many canals you are lucky to get an inches, or you need to see fish on the top. I've fished the Coventry and Oxford canals, in the midlands, for a few sessions in winter, just managing the odd small Zander, perch and very occasional chub, maybe one or two per session. Each year though the waterways repair locks and so close some lenghts to boat traffic, for 5 or more weeks. No boats means clear water. When I've fished the same lengths a week or two after the last boat has been through and the bottom can be seen right accross, it is like a different fishery. One sesion 2 years back saw me land over 35 fish in February after a frost, inc perch(some good ones), big chub, roach, tiny zander and even Bleak. You could sight cast to the chub and roach or just fan cast and retrieve "blind", never being sure what you'd get. This fishing lasted for 4 weeks, then it was back to normal...coloured, boats and few fish!
If your canals are coloured I'd suggest small fry paterns and bright lures to try and target the chub/perch. For perch add split shot to the line or use tungsten beads on the heads so you can really "gig" the fly...more important than the actual pattern. I often use an olive tadpole with a 4mm tungy head, this fished very jerky (rod at 90 degrees and keep doing mini strikes as you retrieve) works wonders for perch where less weighted flies fail or a fry patern with an AA shot right next to the hook eye...took 4 up to 2.5lb along with ten small jacks on the Grand Union in December. Till I added the shot I was getting perch follows but no takes...the pike had it which ever way!
If you can see silver fish then small black and peacock spiders or size 20/22 midge pupa...patern not too important. I've found a single strand of pheasant tail wrapped for the body and a couple of wraps of peacock herl at the head tied on Tiemco 206bl's #20-#24 to be killer. Also try these with a tiny 1mm (17/0) glass bead(clear or gold) at the head, if the fish are shallow or the smallest tungy/metal ones you can get if they are deeper.
Fishing "blind" with sunk small nymphs in coloured canals at this time of year is very hard but your canal may be the exception...if we don't try then we'll never learn.
I fish some carp lake in the warmer months but this year, partly because it has been mild, I've been down every couple of weeks(or more!) all winter. I've only been abled to catch on 3 out of the 9 lakes, but they are all heavily stocked and the bait dangler catch in them all? On one of the lakes I could only get perch, on silver clousers, another small carp on bloodworms but one lake has been unreal giving up carp to near doubles, perch, gudgeon, skimmers and roach to bloodworm patterns and always something even with marginal ice! Why this one fishes when the others are dead I don't know. I just hope it continues. I even had 3 carp here sight casting bloodworms to basking fish on Feb 1st! Got some pics if I figure out how to post them.
Before anyone asks I DO NOT ground bait or "chum" the fish up...that is fun but it isn't flyfishing.
I'll try to post some fly pics too ...when I learn how....
Hope you get some.
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Hi SB Dave

Nice to see you have joined our forum.

I lost your email so was not able to send those pictures i said i was going to of the big perch and rud.

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