Fly Fishing Forums
Go Back   Fly Fishing Forums > General Fly Fishing Forums > Fly fishing for other species
Forums Register Blogs FAQ Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2008, 07:23 PM
ArcticFoxFly's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Keighley, West Yorkshire
Posts: 756
ArcticFoxFly is on a distinguished road
Default When to fish for Pike?

When is the best time to fish for pike in rivers and reservoirs?

Would I catch any pike when it is cold and has been snowing? Or when it has been frosty?


Your views on this would be great.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2008, 08:13 PM
BalticFlyFisher's Avatar
Trade Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Baltic Coast
Posts: 563
BalticFlyFisher is on a distinguished road
Default

I can only comment with regard to brackish water - when the temp goes above 14C (June'ish) the pike move out into deeper water conversely they come in as the temp drops below 14C (September'ish). We can catch them on the Baltic until the sea freezes over, but they become scarce in the shallows when the water temp drops below 4C, except when the sun shines and warms up the shallow water. When the ice starts to melt they move into the shallows to breed - and they are catchable.

Water temp is far more important than air-temp - its important to try and fins out how the water temp effects the bait/food fish - the pike will follow.

In another thread I posted the following:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BalticFlyFisher
@Ben_Thomas. Ben I did a bit of mailing and Skypeing last evening - the information was collected/collated/derived from various studies by a Pike-FF'er in preperation for his Phd. The references I was given are:

Dominguez and Pena (2003) "Spatio-Temporal variation in the diet of Northern Pike (E.Lucius) in a colonised area (Esla basin NW Spain)"
Elvira B. (1996) "Pike, (E.Lucius) and red swamp crayfish (P. Clarkii): a new case of predator-prey realtionship between aliens in central Spain"
Diana J.S (1979) "The feeding pattern and daily ration of a top carnivore, the norther pike (E.Lucius)"
Frost.W (1954) "The food of the pike (E.Lucius) in Windemere"

So you've got a bit of light reading there ...
... however to save you (and me) "having" to browse thro' that lot - I also recieved a helicoptor summary:

"Basically the statistics are derived from the stomach contents of captured (netting, e-fishing) specimens ...
... all of the above also record the % of empty stomachs.

Elvira - shows a constant 28.2% empty stomach over the year
Frost - mean 45.68%
Diana - mean 47.0%
Dominguez and Pena - mean 54.2%

D&P have analysed the largest number of specimens (4362), caught over a period of 6 years; their paper shows the stomach contents (including % of empty stomachs) on a per month basis - so based on their findings you can more or less assume that a Pike feeds on average every two weeks. This does however vary according to the amount and varitey of food-fish/items available to the Pike"

I was also sent a copy (.pdf) of the Dominguez and Pena paper - if you want a copy drop me a PM with your email adr and I'll send it to you.

stuart
Have a look at the paper by "Dominguez and Pena" - go to page 10 where they describe the seasonal feeding habits of northern pike (esox lucius) I think that might help to answer your question.

stuart
__________________
Get Out There ..... www.balticflyfisher.com
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2008, 08:27 PM
m2mga's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: brigg
Posts: 761
m2mga is on a distinguished road
Default

At this time of year , you will find most pike heading to the spawning grounds on most rivers , suggest you fish anywhere with water less than 1 metre depth.
As for temperature , i can recall in my pike fishing days setting off to the river during darkness , and tackling up putting my baits in whilst still dark. Upon daybreak the temperature plummeted , my first fish was like on a cartoon with the line cutting the ice whilst playing the fish, had 3 fish in 30 mins for just under 60lbs, then could not fish all day due to a sheet of ice travelling down the river. Back to the point the temp was minus7 deg that day when i got back into my car.

Its down to finding the fish more than temperature this time of year.
__________________
its not how you tie your flies , its how you tease your flies
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2008, 09:05 PM
fontinalis's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 203
fontinalis is on a distinguished road
Default

You can catch pike at ANY time of year but if you want to know the best time I would say just after spawning (usually the beginning of April depending on the temerature of the water) - they consume alot at this time of year so they can be quite easy to catch. Frost and snow will reduce water temperature and metabolic rate so the need to feed will be reduced.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2008, 09:59 PM
Dougie's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: North Lanarkshire
Posts: 1,285
Dougie is on a distinguished road
Default

I would ask that you leave them be if you find evidence of them spawning.

Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-02-2008, 10:20 PM
fontinalis's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 203
fontinalis is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougie
I would ask that you leave them be if you find evidence of them spawning.


very good advice
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2008, 10:46 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 249
Tailing Loop is on a distinguished road
Default

Arcticfox,

I would echo Dougie's sentiments. I have also found that when they are spawning they have their minds on other things than food.

If it is cold weather that worries you - fear not. They will seek out comfort and food. So in the winter they will be in shallower water that the sun can penetrate and warm them and the water up a bit. In summer/autumn when the water IS warm, they go out deeper seeking to keep a bit cool. Much like we seek shade on a hot day. They will try and stay at a similar temperature, so lay in the thermoclime.

Wind can also affect the water temperature - the warmer water is in the upper layers and the wind can blow this warmer water across a lake, making the leeward shore warmer than the windward one - back to the old thing about casting into the teeth of a gale (from shore) - you go to the downwind side of the lake, for trout, insects and food get blown there, for pike the warmer water and the smaller fish eating the insects.......so both

In rivers, pike are not trout, they will not readily lie in fast water by my experience, so seek out the slacker spots. Even a bridge piling might provide enough respite for the current to create a slack "hole" that a pike can lay in without burning loads of energy just trying to stay put.

Think: warm water, easy food, easy swimming and a bit of cover. You won't go far wrong.

Don't go trying for them without good strong takle though - I am one of those who thinks anything less than a #9 is not good for the pike. I use nothing less than my #10 Zero Gravity - with the backbone to tame a 100lb+ tarpon it deals with pike very easily, yet a 3lber will still put a good bend in her. I am more concerned with the welfare of the fish than getting a bit more arc in my rod for MY pleasure. I get enjoyment enough out of playing the fish in and then even more from seeing it go away quickly, strongly and without having had to spend many minutes trying to get it able to stay on an even keel - too many people play fish to exhaustion. I think many of these very tired fish that are seen to go back and look OK, actually die later of a heart attack or similar kind of problem later on, maybe the same day, maybe the next day when they try to chase again. The lactic acid build up in their muscles can be toxic to them, hence why they don't waste energy.

There is loads of good information, friendly advice and more on the PFFA website (Pike Fly Fishing Association). Worth taking a look.

Please folks - think of the fish, not just your catching of them. Pike are actually fairly easy to catch on fly once you get into "pike fishing mode" and can read the water like a pike - just like you do for trout or whatever. Same system, different signs.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-02-2008, 08:28 AM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: somerset
Posts: 31
pete austin is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailing Loop
Arcticfox,

I would echo Dougie's sentiments. I have also found that when they are spawning they have their minds on other things than food.

If it is cold weather that worries you - fear not. They will seek out comfort and food. So in the winter they will be in shallower water that the sun can penetrate and warm them and the water up a bit. In summer/autumn when the water IS warm, they go out deeper seeking to keep a bit cool. Much like we seek shade on a hot day. They will try and stay at a similar temperature, so lay in the thermoclime.

Wind can also affect the water temperature - the warmer water is in the upper layers and the wind can blow this warmer water across a lake, making the leeward shore warmer than the windward one - back to the old thing about casting into the teeth of a gale (from shore) - you go to the downwind side of the lake, for trout, insects and food get blown there, for pike the warmer water and the smaller fish eating the insects.......so both

In rivers, pike are not trout, they will not readily lie in fast water by my experience, so seek out the slacker spots. Even a bridge piling might provide enough respite for the current to create a slack "hole" that a pike can lay in without burning loads of energy just trying to stay put.

Think: warm water, easy food, easy swimming and a bit of cover. You won't go far wrong.

Don't go trying for them without good strong takle though - I am one of those who thinks anything less than a #9 is not good for the pike. I use nothing less than my #10 Zero Gravity - with the backbone to tame a 100lb+ tarpon it deals with pike very easily, yet a 3lber will still put a good bend in her. I am more concerned with the welfare of the fish than getting a bit more arc in my rod for MY pleasure. I get enjoyment enough out of playing the fish in and then even more from seeing it go away quickly, strongly and without having had to spend many minutes trying to get it able to stay on an even keel - too many people play fish to exhaustion. I think many of these very tired fish that are seen to go back and look OK, actually die later of a heart attack or similar kind of problem later on, maybe the same day, maybe the next day when they try to chase again. The lactic acid build up in their muscles can be toxic to them, hence why they don't waste energy.

There is loads of good information, friendly advice and more on the PFFA website (Pike Fly Fishing Association). Worth taking a look.

Please folks - think of the fish, not just your catching of them. Pike are actually fairly easy to catch on fly once you get into "pike fishing mode" and can read the water like a pike - just like you do for trout or whatever. Same system, different signs.
Very sound Pike welfare advice Tailing.

I`d advise to let the Pike have 2 or 3 weeks after spawning to feed in peace so that they can regain their fitness and condition.

Catching a streesed out hungry pike which is feeding heavily having just spawned will probably be more than it can take.
They don`t look very pretty either, tatty and sore looking after they`ve been thrashing about in the reeds spawning.
Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On







All times are GMT. The time now is 05:28 PM.


Loading...
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
2006-2011 Fish&Fly Ltd