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Old 20-07-2010, 10:39 PM
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Dear All,

Could anyone tell me why May fly are different colours? I have seen ones which are greener, ones which are yellower and then the last time I was on the Nadder a pure white one-possibly the most beautiful insect I have ever seen.
Are these due to variations in the species or habitat?

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Old 20-07-2010, 11:34 PM
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Dear All,

Could anyone tell me why May fly are different colours? I have seen ones which are greener, ones which are yellower and then the last time I was on the Nadder a pure white one-possibly the most beautiful insect I have ever seen.
Are these due to variations in the species or habitat?

Cheers.

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Hi flyfisherlady
my english is to rusty to explain it well but in my rivers may flies are same every year....so if it is white one year it is white next year on same river

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It's natural selection and these insects go back several million years (face facts Creationists) plenty of time to allow habitat to govern colour, size, shape, speed - you name it.
Colouration offers specialised advantages to each distinct species either in camouflage, attractiveness to a mate, offering a threat to predators etc. etc. Being a bright yellow mayfly is definitely not a successful strategy for hiding yourself - something else is going on there.

Different species evolve differing survival strategies. It’s illustrated in the variations amongst river flies as it is in every other living organism and understanding why each variation offers advantages is not always apparent.

Why do Ephemeroptera have the dun and spinner stage after hatching? Nobody appears to know. So ......how is it they're different colours - because it works for them I suppose!
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Diawl Bach do you believe the mayflies from different streams are in the process of speciation? Although i suppose there is probably still more than enough geneflow between the rivers to prevent this from happening. Does anyone know of any study in to the genetics of different mayfly populations? Would make some interesting reading.

Could the colour possibly be due to the environment? If you took mayfly eggs from a water where they were yellow and moved them into one where they were white would the resulting mayfly be white or yellow?

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Could the colour possibly be due to the environment? If you took mayfly eggs from a water where they were yellow and moved them into one where they were white would the resulting mayfly be white or yellow?

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Have to admit I may have missed the point of the original question there DP – not a first! Still not sure if it refers to different species or variations in the same species.
I don’t think there’s likely to be any speciation - neatly illustrated and discussed here - in Britain as the habitat is pretty uniform .Variation in individual species does exist though and I suppose that offers an evolutionary advantage in itself.
One of our of the monitors from the group I’m with sent me some pictures of vivid orange and red coloured heptagenids from the Afon Tyweli which I reckoned to be a Photoshop wind up until I rang him. Since then I've seen an equally deep red hept in the Afon Cneifa myself. I was surprised at the size of these nymphs, you'd think they'd stand out like a sore thumb to the trout but they'd obviously survived well.

I've also noticed variation in BWO nymphs too, some are jet black, and others have lighter and blotchy black/white markings. Whether this is variation or the result of instars is open for debate.
I haven’t spent any time on the adults really so I couldn’t say if there’s much variation in colour amongst those – I suppose there is to some extent, wing patterns certainly aren’t uniform in distinct species.
Haven’t seen a red BWO yet though!
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Cheers for clearing that up diawl, interesting to hear that even with (what i am guessing is) reasonable gene flow amongst populations seeing as the barriers are not massive regional differences are seen.

Isnt biology a wonderfully interesting thing!!
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I agree with that sentiment completely DP, it's a fascinating world and I'm just about to submerge myself in it without the pressure of work for a change. Cymru am byth!
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Hiya Polly,
Evolution and genetics... Here is a good site on mayflies and other bugs fish like to snack on. Insect Order Ephemeroptera (Mayflies) Hatch
Friday night and your reading about bugs?
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There is clearly a reason why I shall be single for a very long time..does anyone have a cat I can borrow? I need it to complete my spinster "look"
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