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Old 15-11-2010, 02:15 PM
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I'm still getting around ten BWO nymphs per kick sample from the Taff, it's unusual as it's outside the normal flight times Due to high water I haven't spent time fishing the river for weeks so can't say whether this has resulted in hatches but I suppose it has.

Anyone else finding this ?
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I'm still getting around ten BWO nymphs per kick sample from the Taff, it's unusual as it's outside the normal flight times Due to high water I haven't spent time fishing the river for weeks so can't say whether this has resulted in hatches but I suppose it has.

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hi colin. what part of the taff was that. i fished the lower part a couple of weeks a go and don't recall seeing any then (though to be honest if one landed on my nose i wouldn't know what it was). there were olives or something hatching but definitely not what i was seeing in the summer.

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Global warming perhaps?


I'm pleased you are still kick-sampling the Taff; although they are not strictly speaking an 'Entomology' matter (perhaps we can make on exception here?): are you getting good numbers of Gammarus pulex in your samples? This invertebrate is seen as an important pollution indicator elsewhere and I'm curious how the Taff shrimp are doing. Some of your pics would be nice... hint, hint.
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Greetings Burhan, FM, I was sampling below the legendary North Outfall at Trefforest Ind Est but all appears well thank goodness. The shrimp life fluctuates a lot from year to year but I'm not sampling consistently enough to draw any conclusions from these changes - I monitor the edge of the river in high or low water depending on how much time (or motivation) I have. Sampling exactly the same area of river bed on such an endlessly moody river as the Taff can prove to be a elusive ideal for an amateur.

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Even during the long droughtshown in the graph above there were very good hatches at a time when pollution would have made itself very apparent.During this spell the Taff ran pretty clear while the Teifi went to nitrate soup. The fact is there's very little industry left along the Taff, it's agriculture that's the main culprit for pollution in Wales yet it's very lightly regulated compared to that which is imposed on the remains of the factories.

As for climate change I'd say global corming was more of a threat to the Taff's fish at the moment but thanks for the mention - you're not after a grant are you FM?

I'll post a few more snaps to fill up these long dark nights unless anyone's up for some night fishing for grayling, it's the in thing doncha know!

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Re BWO
I have not noticed any big ones in the sample just very many little ones, which have obviously come from this years egg's. So the overwintered egg ball theory obviously doesnt apply in our area.
We have however got loads of really big advanced Mayflies (vulgatta) showing up in the kinds of numbers we haven't recorded before even in April or May previously.
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The BWO information could be very important. I have always thought that the eggs over-wintered, and I have never found late autumn or winter BWO nymphs at the sites which I have monitored since June of 2005. Perhaps Craig Macadam could help WH.P and DB. Cheers, Ja
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The BWO information could be very important. I have always thought that the eggs over-wintered, and I have never found late autumn or winter BWO nymphs at the sites which I have monitored since June of 2005. Perhaps Craig Macadam could help WH.P and DB. Cheers, Ja
I tend to agree with our learned friend (hope you are well squire) The nymph/adult season of the bwo is comparatively short....although Glen Pointon did show me some legitimate pics of duns found emerging on the Wye in December!
The ripe nymphs seemed to become evident in kick samples quite late hereabouts this season- maybe the whole natural cycle has been retarded a few weeks by the uncommonly hard early winter/early spring we had this time around?

Re WP's observations, is it safe to assume that the bwos display more than one genera per season in much the same way as some of the baetis sp?

Interesting...

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I have to admit to collecting a load of egg balls and putting them in a tube with guaze at each end back in the stream to keep an eye on when they hatched. Within days we had the floods from hell and they were swept away with the stake in the gravels that they were attached too. So all I have to reference is the tiny ones showing up in the Kicks

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According to Macadam and Bennet "There may be seperate winter and summer generation in warmer water, such as those of southern England"
so I suppose southern Wales might have longer flight periods of BWOs but I haven't noticed them. I do see the occasional Yellow May Dun in November mind.
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