SANA have proposed for a new membership/competition fee arrangement that encourages clubs to submit entrants into their Open Competition for a reducing scale of membership fees but clubs that do not submit entrants will pay the full fee of £65.
Are they trying to reduce the traditional club foundation in Scotland?
Are they trying to hi-jack the Scottish National Championship and undermine SANACC?
Is this a premeditated strategy from individuals within SANA?
The reason for asking if the actions are premeditated is that in May 2009, SANA issued a Members Survey that looks to have been a precursor to the events that have taken place. No results of the survey have ever been published.
Are SANA directors in breach of their position by taking the decision to remove the World & European Championships from SANACC?
If the agreement is written into the Articles of Association then the decision should not have been taken until the AGM, however the decision now only requires ratification at the AGM.
The REAL issue appears to be all about funding, so how did we arrive at the possible/probable break up of a historically well organised fishing set up in Scotland?

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Keeping the Faith

I know our club is already thinking of not bothering to join SANA and only pay our SANACC fees.......our club members do not really see what Sana does nor do i, but i do know that on issues such as Cormorants and fish farming....Sana doesnt seem to have won to many battles...........maybe thats just my perception

I must say i was very disappointed on the way SANA has handled the World and Euro teams, I fished the World eliminators 2 years ago , it was hard work, but i gainied valuable experience going through the process of trying to qualify......that qualification road is now closed and its virtually a hand picked team which will now be very difficult for anyone else to break into.......I mean no slight on the anglers that have been picked...I know many of them and they are cracking Anglers.

Gus Shepherd

Are they trying to reduce the traditional club foundation in Scotland?
Whilst still relatively strong, think it is probably in gradual decline. SANA Ltd needed to increase their membership and only practicable to do it with individual members. Failed to attract enough from the wider angling community, now apears they are trying to boost individual numbers from their club membership.
Are they trying to hi-jack the Scottish National Championship and undermine SANACC?
Might be a long term target but SANA Ltd have no access to the current SANACC Nationals/home internationals,assume business as usual for SANACC. Is this a premeditated strategy from individuals within SANA?
Difficult to tell, certainly no published strategy to their membrers, seems to be more action/reaction/action/reaction.
Are SANA directors in breach of their position by taking the decision to remove the World & European Championships from SANACC?
No, within the board's authority, it was an agreement rather than in their articles. The consequences of the decision were obviously foreseeable.The wisdom of driving the changes in membership benefits to the extent they have without any consultation with their members is another matter.
Apparently SANA initially said to SANACC that it was sportscotland who were driving the changes, SANACC asked for clarification, SANA said they would obtain it, but at the next meeting they refused to provide it. SANA refer in the website to sportscotland 'rules', sportscotland site on governing bodies refers to 'guidelines, all of which are not required'. Hopefully this will be clarified for the SANA members before the agm especially as proxy votes have to be submitted before then. It didn't seem to impress SANACC.
Obviously it is about funding and membership numbers, sportscotland are doing an audit in on all governing bodies in 2011. The SANA changes will obviously have an effect on both. The extent of the changes including fees, must make it impossible to quantify the outcome, not ideal before an audit so can only assume status quo was not an option.
My club will continue with SANACC membership, don't know about SANA, supportive of the need for a governing body but probably less so if they are competition/individual member orientated rather than the wider issues.

Well I think SANA have shot themselves in the foot with this one. I know a few who won.t be taking membership this year or in the future. You could NEVER get a straight answer from SANA. Club memberships ARE in decline, some more so than others, with some members retiring, most saying its getting far too expensive , and not a lot of youngsters coming into the sport.SANA can do what they like, as they always have done, but it is the anglers who will vote with their feet .

[QUOTE=john;628041]Are they trying to reduce the traditional club foundation in Scotland?
Whilst still relatively strong, think it is probably in gradual decline. SANA Ltd needed to increase their membership and only practicable to do it with individual members. Failed to attract enough from the wider angling community, now apears they are trying to boost individual numbers from their club membership.

Hi John,
As far as I can see, SANA already has the membership through the clubs and I cannot see how encouraging club members to be individual members will make any difference.
This just sounds like a numbers game to satisfy the requirements of SportScotland and show that there is access for all to SANA.
As you say they failed to attract the wider angling public but if there are 30000 club members (their estimate) within SANA (at least up until 2010) then encouraging 30000 to be individual members works out the same.
It still seems to me that there is a hidden agenda.

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Keeping the Faith

I would like to suggest to any club secretaries/representatives who are concerned or confused as to the best road ahead that they make every effort to attend the AGM which will be held in the King Robert Hotel, Stirling on Sunday 7th March at 10.30 a.m.

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Stan Headley

"I started this life with nothing......and I've still got most of it left!"

I would like to suggest to any club secretaries/representatives who are concerned or confused as to the best road ahead that they make every effort to attend the AGM which will be held in the Green Hotel, Kinross on Sunday 28th March at 10.30 a.m.and is open to fully, paid-up Members.

Jim

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The Fishermans Friend is the Flirty Fly,Fickle Food for Fleeting Fish.

Just a thought to maybe consider and just my personal view, but maybe they are trying to encourage those who are not part of a club, to join also.

surely these organisations are for every angler and welfare of its angling in Scotland and not just those who are in a club.

if Im wrong I apoligise but apart from not knowing any of the politics involved the answers may lie at the AGm,s

Also as the 2 are both ltd companies and do other things and not the same thing ,the values of both have to be considered for both club and individual to make a choice which is best way for them to go.

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Kevin

[quote=duff;628151]The presidents message in the 2009 handbook suggested individual members only or a levy on club members, they were obviously not happy with the income from the clubs. Strategy/hidden agenda or just jumping from one decision to another, only the board will know.
Their membership income/numbers represented in 2010 must be uncertain, competition clubs have had their membership devalued, non competition clubs must be wondering about reduced fees for clubs who get their members to enter the open. Individual membership cheaper but the existing ones will be wondering what is going on including 'free' membership for some. Whatever it is all about, difficult to see how any of it can be reversed, whats done is done!

Devlaued??

previous club membership of both SANA and SANACC cost £65

Proposed cost now SANACC £35 to put through 3 members or more to enter national qualifiers,

proposed cost now SANA £10 to put through 4 members to opens european/worlds qualifiers and sliding scale by putting through 3,2 or 1 or none after that.

Total cost to join both £45 cheaper by £20 per year to club.

Good value I would say on these figures.

Benefiting not only the members who are put up to qualifiers but also the benefit of having a governing body fighting the corner on enviromental issues and things which may effect all anglers and their fishings aswell.

Just the way I view the information which is given out on the subject and not privvy to any meetings which may have gone on now or before.

It in my view has to benefit all anglers,which should be, the aims for the organisations involved.

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