This post is for you BEAR

With reference to your previous thread, chinning a cheat, that was rightfully blocked, i was fishing that competition on the day you refaired to, if you have ever fished a competition there,which i dont think so,you might be kind enough to tell us if you have ??, you will know that at the briefing before every competition starts the owner reads out a full list of rules for everyone to hear, in these rules he says that it's a bank fishing competition and wading is not permeated ,he then says that you can stand in the water only when netting a fish, at this competition the fish are weighed and released back into the lake so i guess he wants the fish kept in the water and not left bouncing about the bank,

During the competition an angler was playing a fish he then entered the water to net the fish, while trying to keep the fish out of the weeds, it was at this point that an angry angler started shouting that this fish shouldn't count because the guy was standing in the water, he went charging up the bank to angler who just landed the fish screaming that he was in the water and the fish shouldn't count, the owner and competition manager was only yards away form this and had seen everything, he tried to explane to this header that you where aloud to stand in the water while netting a fish, it's read out before every competition.

during the break for lunch , the angry anger and the guy who caught the fish had words with each other, when the angry angler made a lunge at him, it was disgraceful to witness this kind of jealously and rage in an angler and i don't know how the other guy kept his hands of him,but he did,he stood with his arms open with no intent on getting into any sort of a fight, i guess it's because the guy who caught the fish was a top competition angler and a very high profile angler and has more to lose than this removed by Admin, i am sure that competitors of any sport at the top of there game will always attracted an amount of rivalries, but this was totally out of hand, i have now heard that the guy who started it and punched the other competitor has been bared from this fishery and quite ritely so, what a ****** .


Fly fishing site's are great for the sport, they are a wealth of information for us anglers beginners or experienced , but these sort of post's from you and the like's of you should be kept for the bar, SKINNY :joking

Well it just goes to show, there are ALWAYS two sides to every story.

Thanks for clearing that up Skinny. Fair play to yee mate

Not sure what the angry jealous angler, had to be jealous about. He finished ahead of the angler (who stood there with his arms open), did he not.

Fair play to the "top competition and very high profile angler". Dont know how he just stood there and took it.

I know if someone hit me, regardless of who I thought I was, or who it was hitting me, i would have to defend myself and would definately get stuck back in and worry about the consequences after it was all over. No way would I just stand there and take it. But thats just my opinion.

Now that youve told your side of the story, I wonder if Admin, will, as you say, quite rightly block this thread as well.

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Now that both sides of the story have been aired may I remind you all that any personal insults posted in this thread will result in this thread also being closed.

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just a query why was the other thread locked ??

I didnt notice any personal insults on that thread.

Surely on this thread the original poster referring to one of the involved parties as an
a$$hole is an insult.
Surely these types of thread are simply an area of debate about whether of not things like fighting or rule bending are welcome in fishing. Ive been fishing for more than 30 years and have seen plenty of fights, but never seen one during a fly fishing competition. So I find this incident very interesting, if not somewhat amusing.

Perhaps the original thread should have been entitled
"Would you chin someone just because they are a high profile,top competition angler and you are jealous of them"

Seriously though, I hope this isnt going to be a regular occurance at fisheries or we all might need to consider going to the gym or to karate / self defence classes, just in case someone gets jealous of us.



Where are the personal insults on either thread. Can we not openly debate such issues in public.

I cant see a problem as long as individual names are kept out of it.

OO

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The original thread that was locked was asking if a member would commit a violent act against another fisherman was sailing a little close to the mark and was reported to us as offensive by several members.

I just noticed the hidden profanity in this threads O.P. and in your quote which I will edit accordingly.

We actively encourage healthy debate on the forums but once it becomes offensive we will step in and try to ensure that the balance of fairness prevails.

Don't worry - I have set up an RSS feed of this topic on my BlackBerry and will be made aware the instant that anything is posted so rest assured that we are monitoring this thread should it get out of hand.

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I was also at this competition and can say that The Bear has his facts totally wrong.

As skinny says you're told at the start no wading unless it is during netting a fish, in the past many people have waded while netting a fish with no problems. I was at the opposite side of the lake, but sound travels well over water and i heard the shouting and complaining and thought no more of it, that was the end of it, over the years ive seen a few disagreements while out fishing.

However there is no excuse for lifting your hands to someone and fair play to the angler who was attacked for not retaliating, as OO says it takes a lot of restraint not to fight back, but it was certainly the right thing to do considering there were ladies and kids present. It was not the time or place for fighting and in my opinion he totally deserves the ban he got for spoiling what is a well run, friendly and fun competition .

Bri.

there is no place for this sort of stuff in angling and with woman and kids about it makes the matter even more sad........ he should have been shown the door right away or was he... a fight over a bit of fishing is crazy.

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Its very, very sad indeed, that incidents like this are happening in comp fishing. Why cant every comp angler just fish in the same way as everyone else, without bending / breaking rules or resorting to viloence.

Then we would hopefully NOT have incidents like this.

Without doubt, there are some competition anglers out there who, for some strange reason, seem to draw attention to themselves. Wheter its standing on a box, or stretching fish before a weigh in, or out fishing a lough at 6am the morning before a competition, or fishing in restricted areas, or wading out and then getting involved in a punch up. Why cant they be like the rest of us and just go fishing without incident. Perhaps they are just attention seekers, perhaps not. But what I do think is that, if we ALL went fishing and justed fished, there would not be incidents like this punch up and no need for threads like this.

I feel sorry for the decent guys that run these comps and run these fisheries.

Surely it cant be ALL down to jealousy. Or am I missing something completely.

If you look at the recent troutmasters final incidents and now this. The common denominator seems to be anglers taking the rules to their limit, or indeed breaking rules.

If Skinny's side of the story is to be believed, then one comp angler, attacked another comp angler, just because they were jealous. I find that very very difficult to beleive. It may just be that there is more to this than we are being told

Surely it's incidents like these that give comp angling a BAD name, and NOT people talking about such incidents on these forums.

There seems to be certain individuals, who are CONSTANTLY in the limelight over breaking, bending rules such as wading rules. Why cant they just fish on a level playing field, like everyone else and avoid incidents like this.

Dont get me wrong, Its not right to give someone a kicking for doing something you feel is wrong, but surely if it's the same person time and time again who is involved in these incidents, then people are going to ask if there is NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE. Even these type of anglers closest friends must start to wonder at some stage, why these incidents keep happening. maybe it's just a case of over inflated egos. I could be wrong of course.

I mean, you dont hear stories of anglers attacking world champions, JUST because they are jealous of them being so good. Perhaps some individuals like to be in the spotlight, regardless of the reason why.

Perhaps their moto is " There is no such thing as bad publicity ".

Just a thought.

OO

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