Does anyone have a spare CEFF rule booklet they're willing to part with? or know who to contact at the confed to get hold of one?

Is there more in the rule booklet than what's published on the CEFF website here: http://www.ceff.org.uk/ceffrules.html?


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Terry

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Sorry for butting in chaps, can one of you explain the fly size rule to me, reading it on the website, looking like a size 10 is he maximum hook judging by the size, I may have a crack next year at some comps and would like to be legal

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Chris have a look at the link on terry's post.

Alan

No. The rules on the site are the latest, whereas an old booklet may have some out of date rules in it.

Graham

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Thanks for the responses guys, I had expected there to be more in depth guidance on allowable flies than what's on the website, for example I had heard it mentioned that you weren't allowed to use plastic beads on Int Rules flies, is this the case, because as far as I can tell from the rules on the website there's nothing to stop you as long as they don't glow in the dark. I'd also heard it mentioned that the fly must be 'tied' i.e. you cant just glue a painted popper head onto a hook and use it as a bung, again I don't see anything against this in the rules.

Also does anyone know what the stance is on epoxy coated flies, such as Jansen Minnow type patterns, would it be deemed that the epoxy is artificially weighting the flies down as I have some epoxy coated tadpoles which sink like lead?

I guess the obvious answer is to run the flies past the official on the day to get their opinion, just trying to save a little time at the vice.

Cheers,
Terry


P.s. Chris - "Hooks may not measure more than five-eighths of an inch overall, including the eye. The overall length of the fly may not exceed fifteen-sixteenths of an inch" just buy an International Hook Gauge, this will keep you within the size limit.

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Cheers chaps, so, I gather marabou lures are out then? Or is that where the mini lures come into play, just an intersting subject and covers a range of flies that I haen't been asked to tie

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I have often wondered how regularly these rules are updated. Many seem to date from days of yore and do not encompass todays tackle and techniques.
Certainly there is the question of where is the dividing line between a fly with lead wire, or a goldhead, as opposed to a buzzer on a heavy hook with several layers of Sally hansen. Bot are tied with the express intent of adding weight to increase the sink rate, it's just a question of degree.
There have been a number of threads in the past about 'floating' flies, flies incorporating wound wire in the tying, etc.
If it is just left up to the discretion of officials at each match there are bound to be inconsistencies.
By the same token, do we want such a prescriptive list of heavily enforced regulations that it squeezes all the innovation and creativity out of the sport?
Who do set the rules and how in touch are they with current trends? Just out of interest - I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.

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Andrew,

To further complicate the matter, there are more than one set of International Rules.

Fips Mouche Rules - these are used for World and European Championships and I don't really have much knowledge of their content.

IFFA International Rules - These are used for the Home Internationals fished twice a year between England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

CEFF Loch Style Rules - used for all England Loch Style Eliminators and the National Final. These are basically the IFFA rules with rules that only pertain to Internationals removed (such as directives regarding how the weigh-in is carried out) and the odd small difference (eg. Under IFFA rules you can cover a fish that rises behind the boat, but not under CEFF rules).

The IFFA Rules Committee sits once a year (at one of the 2 Internationals) and consists of 2 representatives from each nation plus the IFFA Chairman and Secretary. I think the rules are kept reasonably vague in most areas as anglers are encouraged to 'fish within the spirit of the competition'. The trouble is that if you attempted to nail down every rule so that it was water tight, the rule booklet would consist of several hundred pages! The only rules that have changed recently in my memory were to do with the attachment of drogues and use of mobile phones.

The CEFF rules are sometimes amended at the annual CEFF AGM which is held once a year. This is usually only in response to a change of the IFFA rules. During my recent stint as England Manager I did try and change things so that we binned the CEFF rules and only fished to the IFFA rules (as they are what you have to fish to if you qualify), but this wasn't really possible as the IFFA rules contain a lot of direction regarding administration of the Internationals which isn't really applicable to our Eliminators.

How in touch with current trends are the Rule Makers? Reasonably I think, as the Team Managers usually form part of the IFFA committee and they are usually current competition anglers.

Hope this helps,

Graham