I for one really do hope you reconsider this Martin, your events have always been superbly organised, 2nd to none that I've fished. I know you haven't posted the above looking for thanks for your efforts, you never have, but you are getting it anyway, I for one really appreciate the professionalism that you organise the ST river qualifiers with.

I understand that events away from the river may have put a dampner on the weekend, but that's no reflection on the work you put into organising and competing in the qualifier.

Regards and hope to see you soon,
Terry

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I'll second that.I've never fished in this event, but Martin is one of the very, very, very few who have me total respect.

The "event" had nothing at all to do with the competition or fishing. It was a Saturday night altercation fuelled by cider. The sort of thing that happens in every town every Saturday night.

What does concern me is that the England Loch Style Manager saw fit to post on this thread that such an "event" took place at all. Perhaps Mr Introna might care to explain.

Martin Dixon

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Whoa fella! No axe grinding here mate.
I'm fully aware that the Dartmoor trout are small and I support a 15cm limit there (and similar venues). However, the Welsh Dee produces 3-4lb grayling every year (and we had a 20cm size limit for the National did we not?) so a 15cm juvenile grayling off the Dee can't be used as a direct comparison...
I'd just like to add my thumbs up for your organisational abilities...
JT

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Hi Martin, I'll call you tomorrow when we can talk properly, but just quickly:

I have organised this event for 8 years. From 7 entrants in year 1 we now get around 20, and have introduced many people into competition fishing.

Winter river comps are a nightmare to organise. A thankless task, but I don’t look for thanks. If volunteers did not give their time, these comps simply would not happen.

Great event with great people brilliantly run and a real joy to be part of when I have fished it. I agree with all these points.

The relaxation of the rule you object to was my decision, and I stand by it. It is no credit to you that though you had the opportunity to discuss the matter with me, you chose not to. Instead you made derogatory and uninformed comments on a public forum, encouraging others with even less knowledge of the matter.

I have looked at all my comments, I see none which are as you suggest? I called you straight away when I had the rules through, you told me it wasn't your decision but that of the EA's as they wanted to gauge the small fish population, it is the EA I have always talked about, never you, now you say it was YOUR decision?

Due to your intervention, and that of the England Loch Style Manager on whom I will waste no words other than to say he has my unreserved contempt, there is now a vacancy for organising this event.

I'm TRULY sorry to hear that, even more so as you think my comments have made the decision for you, like I said, you had an amazingly well run competition.


You still have opportunities regarding the rivers this year. You could enter the Southern Qualifier. A grayling comp with a min size limit of 15cm. If you qualify you will fish the National Final on the Dart, min. size limit 15cm. Or perhaps you will condemn these events also?

I do not believe that catching juvenile fish is competition fishing, trout in the dart that size are wise old residents, small streams, different fish and fishing, less food, more competition. I do not agree with the southern qualifier rules, no. Again, juveniles, minimum size be should 20cm.

Competition flyfishing has enough detractors without a magazine editor and an England Manager making entirely negative and unjustified comments which undermine a great deal of hard work and goodwill.


Again, I have NEVER said any of the above?

Steve, perhaps Mr. Introna or yourself will step into the breech?


I'll be honest, I couldn't do the job that you did, you are/ were very good at it.

Martin Dixon

I've emailed you and I'll call you tomorrow, I did however want to defend myself on here first.

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Hang on!! What did I mention??? I only heard that a guy had come to greif... not sure where or what?.. So what is the issue? Measuring tiny Grayling on 'behalf' of the EA?.. Why count them?? Why include them?? thats a few points raised and I ask the same questions... nothing else! I seem to remember a couple of people getting their facts totally wrong around a decade ago... I suggest you, with the greatest respect, do the same Martin. And yes, I would gladly run the ST eliminator and, in England too if I'm asked... Stop getting your knickers in a twist... life is too short! Go fishing!

Ps, after several views of this whole thread, I just cannot see what the heck your personal problem is with my input? I actually applaud your work? Perhaps you need a holiday Martin? This is a worldwide open 'free to post' forum... If anyone posts anything on here they should be aware they are open to statements and comments 'they' may not find constructive... thats how it works I'm afraid.

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Hi Adrian, I have passed-on your enquiry to the England Youth manager... good to see we have a future star in the making!

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I'm asking the same JT but I cannot find the full results on the TEFF website just the qualifiers... Any chance fellas? Also, will the EA be reporting their findings? Even if people didnt agree with the EA wanting this info, it would be good to see them I suppose.

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I don't want to get involved in the politics of this but my interest is as a committee member of one of the clubs who donate access to their water for this event.

My question is what real value is there for the EA in assessing fish stocks from a competition fished by relatively few over quite a large area of the river? To fill any brief from the EA fish of under a certain size only needed to be recorded and not necessarily count towards the result.

Surely a better method would be for the EA to approach the local clubs and get their input from members who fish the river on a regular basis. In a recent visit to the river I caught quite a few grayling of less than 10cm which must be a good sign.

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