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Old 24-12-2009, 02:48 PM
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Hello,

Has anyone ever tryed these imitation salmon eggs for the grayling ive bought a few jars of them from ebay and they look the buisness keen to give them a try when i next get out.

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Old 24-12-2009, 03:08 PM
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Hello,

Has anyone ever tryed these imitation salmon eggs for the grayling ive bought a few jars of them from ebay and they look the buisness keen to give them a try when i next get out.

Cheers.
Sorry I can't speak directly to Grayling, but for everything else I gather they're excellent. Know a couple of guys who put them in in 'roe-bags' and have been quite successful fishing for Steelhead (just another type of Trout).

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Old 24-12-2009, 03:42 PM
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Do you just put them on a bare hook yes?
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Old 25-12-2009, 01:55 PM
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I may be wrong but I thought in the UK (at least England) using salmon "roe" was illegal. Not looked up any by laws to check I just seem to remember it always being so.
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I may be wrong but I thought in the UK (at least England) using salmon "roe" was illegal.

Yes. That would be the Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act, 1975:

Section 2 (1)
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Any person who for the purpose of fishing for salmon, trout or freshwater fish:
Uses any fish roe -
Buys, sells or exposes for sale -
Has in his possession -

any roe of salmon or trout shall be guilty of an offence.

I understand subsequent judgements have found 'powerbaits' as roe. I can't see this stuff as being legal - and rightfully so IMHO.
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I may be wrong but I thought in the UK (at least England) using salmon "roe" was illegal. Not looked up any by laws to check I just seem to remember it always being so.
You guys obviously haven't read the original post properly they are IMITATION SALMON EGGS made from a synthetic material ,i'm well aware you cant use acctual salmon roe.
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You guys obviously haven't read the original post properly they are IMITATION SALMON EGGS made from a synthetic material ,i'm well aware you cant use acctual salmon roe.


I thought I read the original post properly - although I haven't seen any samples.

Careful how you go: if any roe extract has been added to this (totally?) inert synthetic material it would be a clear breach of the Act; remember roe Berkley Powerbait has already been ruled illegal.


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Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act, 1975:

Section 2 (1)
(Fish roe)

Any person who for the purpose of fishing for salmon, trout or freshwater fish:
Uses any fish roe -
Buys, sells or exposes for sale -
Has in his possession -

any roe of salmon or trout shall be guilty of an offence.

I understand subsequent judgements have found 'powerbaits' as roe. I can't see this stuff as being legal - and rightfully so IMHO.
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Apparently, if you use the roe to make "Jam" / "Toffee" it bypasses the law...because it ceases to be actual "roe". Anyone actually heard of this being challenged in law?

Addition: I would appreciate a link to any case where someone was convicted of using Berkley Roe Bait, it would be interesting to see how an artificial object (albeit possibly with extracts of roe from USA) was argued to be the natural object obviously intended (when the law was drafted).
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A myth RPS. I'm sure most prosecutions have been for the prepared 'jam'; actually it's more like an unique, pungent orange coloured cheese. The scent lingers and is impossible to mask from any decent bailiff of the old school.

No doubt lack of recent prosecutions are more probably due to an ineptly trained, and naive, bailiffing force, with an increasingly PC agenda, than in any reduction in its use.
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A myth RPS. I'm sure most prosecutions have been for the prepared 'jam'; actually it's more like an unique, pungent orange coloured cheese. The scent lingers and is impossible to mask from any decent bailiff of the old school.

No doubt lack of recent prosecutions are more probably due to an ineptly trained, and naive, bailiffing force, with an increasingly PC agenda, than in any reduction in its use.
I must admit to this one being a long running view, but realistically... the chances of the type of person using such substance being able to afford to defend themselves with a proper barrister is zero ... and why would they bother with such silly fines and sentences. I would love to see how someone would properly argue that an artificial substance, or a natural substance changed beyond physical recognition, would be still the original natural "roe" "object" intended by law. I have not used the stuff since I was a kid, though a few years ago I did show one bright yound lad a few things with a pan on the stove. Mine wasn't like cheese, but then I didn't use vinegar!

We could do with a few old time bailiffs, people who could easily see the ***** marks of a foul hooked fish, not like some of the clever dick "been at it five minutes" and know it all officers/"monkey grinders/salmon angling instructors" around today who don't want to prosecute people who drag fish out sideways....for lack of evidence.
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