Hi Peeps.
I've been thinking about the physics of casting recently and now i'm becoming obsessed with how different tapers would effect my casting and the design of these tapers.
Ohhhhh Nooooo, talk about in-deapth!!!!!!!!!
Physics tells me that thin line wont transmit momentum to thick line efficiently so is it really a waste of time doing more false casts to get well into the thin running line and then shooting.
Would it be better to get the head of the line out of the tip ring and then go for a long shoot?
I suppose a long distance line would have a very long front taper, meaning the caster must have the skill to aerialise a lot of line before shooting the remainder out.
I do know this is a complex subject but I'm keen to learn.
As an all round line I must say I'm over the moon with the Pirates, its great, but my testing of shooting the line is rather inconclusive (inconsistent casting more like). With this line do you think im better false casting to aerialise as much line as possibe or just mark the front taper on the line and work on very high line speed for the shoot.

Any pearls of wisdom greatly appreciated.

Rob

At what point in the cast do you think thin line is transmitting momentum to thick line?

The trick I believe is to arielise the head, short line into the final back cast, wait for it to straighten then fire it off.
Tk

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The trick I believe is to arielise the head, shoot line into the final back cast, wait for it to straighten then fire it off.
Tk

That's why the 'thin line' is called 'running' or 'shooting' line.

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Didnt expect a quiz but energy is being transmitted throughout the cast at each point when a change in direction is initiated from forward to back. The "important" or rather "the more important" region is the accelerate and stop at the end of each stroke, where we squeeze the grip to transfer energy as efficiently as possible through the rod and down the line. I realize i'd get more points for showing my working out james but I can't fathem out how to doodle on here
I've been watching some casting video's from finland and the contestants were aerialising 90ft of line so I was wondering if their lines had 90ft heads or they were false casting to the max then going for a smaller final shoot.

Once again, any input will be most appreciated.
I'm off to raygill for a fish now, Hi-D lines at the ready!!!!

Rob

If you load a wf line the wrong way round on the reel perhaps

Work on the rule of thumb that you can shoot 1/3 of the amount of WF line you are carrying. You will need to carry 60ft (typically 40ft head + 20ft running line) to cast 90ft of line outside the tip.

Yes distance lines do tend to have very long front tapers to delay turnover for as long as possible. Also, heads are much longer.

The really good distance casters can hold up massive amounts of line and completely blow out of the the water the above rule of thumb. In simple terms they achive this by generating vast amounts of line speed.

Ta, Lee.

They would be using double tapers to be able to aerialise that length of line, a full length, then shooting some backing/running line to gain more distance.
I managed it just the once, 30 years ago from the top of a dam wall, i just wanted to try it! Since then, well i'm still learning!

By the way, Mike Marshall holds the British record (WF and DT) for casting a #7 line, unless its been beaten since, and i believe it was with a fully aerialised DT line.

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Well that's my humble input, job done and out of here, expect a long and possibly tiresome journey through this thread. I just wanted to comment on that quote.
There are others far more qualified than me on here that can advise you on distance casting. That said, there is already a post that mistakes 'cast 90ft of line' from 'aerialising 90ft of line'

Good luck, son!

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On the basis that the vast majority of lines used in competition, and fishing for that matter, are around 29 to 32 meters they're not going to have 'heads' of 90ft (27.4m). The Mastery XXD is (or was) an often used line and has a head length of 20m or slighly more. and the challenge of lines such as this is to be able to 'carry' the head (and some) outside the rod tip, maintaining a dynamic, high speed loop in order to shoot a further 30 or 40 feet.

As Mancfly says, many distance casters favour the double taper because its weight distribution is conducive to 'holding' a line of line in the air - however there is a trade off with the 'shoot'.

I think it's fair to say that there are few people who can consistently put out a measured 110ft or more - I know I can't!

For an interesting read, have a look at this article from Sexyloops and in particular the chart of distances achieved under controlled test conditions - puts some claims of distance into perspective.

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It was good to meet you James; Lee 'totsy' and Mike 'chuckfluffer' also.
All the best, Andrew