Do you push or pull a fly rod when making a cast? - Page 2

ohanzee · #11 (**permalink**) 29-11-2012, 06:10 PM

if you think of the power you get pulling something downward compared to the power you can achieve by pushing forward it begins to make some sense.

silver creek · #12 (**permalink**) 29-11-2012, 08:34 PM

The Fall 2002 issue of the Loop, has an article by Al Kyte describing the 3 main styles of casting. I use the elbow forward style of Jim Green, Mel Krieger, Steve and Tim Rajeff, Joan Wulff, Gary and Jason Borger.

The article is also in pdf form at:

http://www.fedflyfishers.org/Portals...l%20Styles.pdf

This article is referred to in the article below by Macauley Lord in Mid Current.

Casting: The Elements of Style | MidCurrent

"The most detailed analysis of casting styles, particularly arm styles, has been performed by Al Kyte and Gary Moran. (See “Fly Casting: Substance & Style,” by Al Kyte and Gary Moran, in the March/April 2000 issue of American Angler.) They identified three major arm styles among elite-level casters"

Here are related articles by Al Kyte and Moran

http://www.fcff.org/images/Learn%20I...EliteVGood.pdf

http://castflys.com/docs/substancestyle.pdf

ohanzee · #13 (**permalink**) 29-11-2012, 08:50 PM

Kyte and Moran's article has been around a while, its maybe worth mentioning in terms of 'style' they compare good casters with elite casters, i.e..the difference between 'good style' or 'elite style' is a more efficient, or put simply, a better cast.

chris68 · #14 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 06:23 AM

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a method popularised by Paul Arden

No it wasn't, Mel Krieger was doing this years before Paul, Paul I believe has cast with Mel, but there are more people that were advocating this style well before Paul, Peter Anderson in Scotland was doing this (and passing it on to people like Andrew Toft, Robert Gillespie etc), Al Buhr details this in his two handed Spey casting book.

Robert Gillespie is a sight to behold casting like this as is Philip Maher, all coming down from Peter Andersson etc

Chris

Endrick · #15 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ohanzee

if you think of the power you get pulling something downward compared to the power you can achieve by pushing forward it begins to make some sense.

I suspect you don't train with weights Alan but my bench press is about 30% higher than my bench pull which suggests the opposite, however I suspect the push-pull interaction is much more complex than this. I suspect that the normal cast for most of us is mostly push but the competition casts with their much wider arcs employ a big pull.

chris68 · #16 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 08:14 AM

Ah, but we are not pulling or pushing a solid object, we are pulling\pushing something that flexes with a bit of bendy string coated in plastic running through it, that usually has a mind of its own!!

So we have to adapt the stroke to get the best out of this flexible thing with wobbly bits

matt0207 · #17 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 02:02 PM

"So we have to adapt the stroke to get the best out of this flexible thing with wobbly bits"

I think adapting your stroke is the key. Having started out as a pusher then becoming a puller, due to a shoulder injury had to adapt again. Now I'm keeping my elbow to my side and pushing my hand through the stroke keeping the rod flexed back until the last moment. By using the body more you can generate quite a lot of power without much effort.Have to be wary of my tracking though.

Cheers

ps first post so hopefully got this right.

cpresland · #18 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 05:29 PM

In Mel Krieger’s fly casting DVD “Flycasting Faults and Fixes”, (Within Chapter 5) there is a whole section dedicated specifically to the outlining and explaining the differences between the “Push Through” Forward stroke, and the “Pull-Through” forward stroke...

Very well worth viewing...

I am a follower of the “Pull Through” forward casting stroke...

rookstorm · #19 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 05:31 PM

Pull or push does it really matter

its only someones term for a movement in a cast

chris68 · #20 (**permalink**) 30-11-2012, 07:24 PM

It makes a huge difference when casting, pulling is more efficient