The big fat tailing loop thread

[ennio]

Check out Aitor Coteron's video, and his observations
http://vimeo.com/m/20162380

Btw the Frank referred to in the comments isn't "our" Frank

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by vgb

How about another thread on "what do you call a collection of casting instructors"

A conspiricy obviously.

[vgb]

Originally Posted by vgb

How about another thread on "what do you call a collection of casting instructors"

A consultancy of casting instructors

[flybye]

Usually "a bunch of c+*%'s" down my way
TK

[chuckfluffer]

Originally Posted by flybye

Usually "a bunch of c+*%'s" down my way
TK

You should hear what we call some of our clients

Mike

[flyfinder]

I'm a bit behind the times on this thread. It's a great read but can anyone suggest where I'm going wrong with my tailing/crossover loops (or whichever they are)?

I'm right handed. Mostly I cast OK, gentle double hauling normally, but every 4 or 5 casts the fly leg starts unfurling towards the target to the left of the rod leg, and then as it starts to turn over it tries to cross the rod leg diagonally towards the right, and inevitably bounces off or catches on the rod leg, often resulting in a nice tangle.

Any suggestions (polite and legal ones please!) gratefully received. Many thanks.

[James9118]

Originally Posted by flyfinder

the fly leg starts unfurling towards the target to the left of the rod leg, and then as it starts to turn over it tries to cross the rod leg diagonally towards the right, and inevitably bounces off or catches on the rod leg, often resulting in a nice tangle.

Sounds like you're occasionally putting in a tracking error. If you imagine you're looking down on yourself casting in the centre of a clock-face - then if you're aiming your forward cast at 12 o'clock then it's likely that your backcast is heading off towards 5 o'clock (or worse) rather than 6. This will then cause the loop to swing out and deliver from the left on the forward cast. With the combined effect of gravity dropping the fly-leg (as in the photo in post 2), then this can cause it to catch the rod leg.

There could also be a bit of tailing loop in there as well.

[flyfinder]

Originally Posted by James9118

Sounds like you're occasionally putting in a tracking error.

Thanks for that. I do try to have in my mind a 'painting the ceiling' analogy to keep the tracking straight, but obviously not consistently...

[hoarsefly]

Originally Posted by Frank

Jeff, glad it helped and yes if you just use a tweak to get around the tailing loop as was suggested elsewhere all you are doing is adding to you problems. So if and when you decided to get it fixed you will have to sort out a tailing loop and a late tracking issue that you have been using to mask the tailing loop.

tailing loops are caused by a dish shaped or concave rod tip path, Chirs68's stolen diagram shows this nicely. The dip in the fly leg corresponds to the dip in the RTP. The three main course for it when trying to get that little bit if extra distance are.

1. creep, that is not having a long enough pause for the extra line you have in the air. Keep in mind the longer the line the longer the pause.

2 To much power, that is hitting the cast to hard an forcing a deeper bend in the rod, ( see 3)

3. to little arc for the cast, that is usual you are stopping the rod in the same place as normal, try stopping it with the rod tip a little lower than normal. Quite often the fault is caused by a combination of 2 and 3.

Of course having never seen you cast I cannot accurately diagnose what is going on, I am just relying on my experience as a casting instructor.

Hope some of this helps

Frank

Originally Posted by Frank

1. creep, that is not having a long enough pause for the extra line you have in the air. Keep in mind the longer the line the longer the pause.

Frank
It's also worth mentioning the more line you have outside of the tip ring the longer the casting stroke needs to be.