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Old 02-02-2012, 05:35 PM
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I found these while surfing the internet:

TLT Academy » LA FISICA DEL LANCIO

TLT Academy » LA MECCANICA DEL LANCIO: LA LENZA

Based on this Italian Fly Fishing Organization

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Very interesting and I need time to read it properly. As I understand it, the paper treats the rod and line as separate entities. The 1st part of the paper is based heavily on Spoleks work on loop formation with a dollop of aerodynamics where it looks at form drag.

The 2nd part looks at rod performance and assumes a simple harmonic oscillator on a stick The example uses a SHO with a frequency of a about 3hz which is way lower than Hannemans figures and there is some treatment of damping which I need to re-read. They construct a model on the basis of the stick and spring and compare it with a real cast.

It adds the maths to some of the recent discussions but it won't tell you what makes a rod fast, you have to number crunch yourself
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looks really interesting but complicated at the same time. i will try and digest it a bit later me thinks and i'll try and come up with a more simplistic summary

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thats a fair bit of physics to explain just the basic bit, which leaves me really puzzled as to the point,

for example, what happens when someone comes along that doesn't understand it but can cast better than someone that does understand it, which one is closer to understanding?
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thats a fair bit of physics to explain just the basic bit, which leaves me really puzzled as to the point,

for example, what happens when someone comes along that doesn't understand it but can cast better than someone that does understand it, which one is closer to understanding?
The content is way above what is needed solely for casting. But it is very useful if you want to either design a rod or line or understand what is happening when your students cast does not work.
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I found the site from a discussion the on the FFNA site. I have not personally seen anyone of them cast but some of the attendees to the Somerset Fly Fishing Show in New Jersey, USA were impressed:

Somerset show - The North American Fly Fishing Forum

An Italian fly fisher, Giovanni Nese of TLT has offered to answer questions about their technique.

I have invited him to join this discussion.
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Hi

The TLT was designed by Roberto Pragliola in 1976 and he continued the development with innovations and insights. On the TLT has written three books, numerous articles on Italian journals, and also some articles of European magazines. RP has taught the TLT in Italy and in France, Spain and Germany. He has shown the TLT in several trips to the USA and in the past, he founded a school in Italy (SIM).

2) Currently there are no instructors TLT. in the U.K. in Italy are instructors and schools originaly formed by RP. These schools teach the fast cast, but often this is not the technique that teaches RP. Today he is president of TLT ACADEMY - the latest expression of TLT cast in the world. ROBERTO PRAGLIOLA created the TLT ACADEMY in order to tell the philosophy and technique of tlt. More important the philosophy than the technique. In Somerset (NJ) for the first time in the U.S. tlt academy has made ​​a demonstration of casting technique and basic theory;

3) Tlt does not use double haul because it uses a system that automatically doubles the speed of the line (reverse hoist) and the vibration of the rod at high frequency according to the third mode of vibration. With a little time and a better English i try explain how it works. In Somerset last week end I tried to explain it with a cable and shapes

4) TLT does not mean that other techniques are partial but in Italian (sorry) say that along with the technical guidance is provided regarding the complete fishing action, teaches the strategy of fishing, the analysis of water flows...;

5) TLT uses the left hand with this idea, "the right hand cast the left hand fishing". The left hand is used for hauling, single or double, only in rare circumstances, particularly for long throws; but, very often, you do not need the long cast, but accuracy;

6) I've been tasked by Robert PRAGLIOLA to write on internet site.

7) with the tlt you do not skip the most interesting areas of the river, those sectors where the other ones not fishing;

8) tlt is the translation and synthesis of the words: speed, modernity, technique and technology incorporated into the world of fly fishing;

9) This is not an advertisement for tlt , this is currently my beliefs, I am a convert, I intend to illustrate with a little patience on your part the issues listed above.

greetings and thank you warmly. Giovanni Nese.

(one who thinks and mainly draws loops with pencil )

you can find something to read here:
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in Toscana near Firenze is the headquarters of TLT ACDEMY.

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what happens when someone comes along that doesn't understand it but can cast better than someone that does understand it


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7) with the tlt you do not skip the most interesting areas of the river, those sectors where the other ones not fishing;
Welcome Giovanni,

Are there other casting schools teach anglers to not fish sections of the river?

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3) Tlt does not use double haul because it uses a system that automatically doubles the speed of the line (reverse hoist) and the vibration of the rod at high frequency according to the third mode of vibration. With a little time and a better English i try explain how it works. In Somerset last week end I tried to explain it with a cable and shapes


Ciao
Hi Giovanni

I have had a very quick look at your website and I believe that I understand the principles that TLT is using:

1. With a very stiff rod you generate a lot of line speed because it is efficient

2. Because it is very stiff you do not need to pause for the spring portion of the cast to rotate and reverse.

3. Because of (2) you can use a 180 degree arc to increase speed.

4. Because of (3) you shoot the line with the rod pointed at the intended target. This reduces guide friction and increases line speed.

However, there are 3 points that I do not understand:

1. How do you form your wedge loop?

2. What do you mean by "reverse hoist"?

3. What do you mean by 3rd vibration?

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Wow, that's some chunk of physics maybe its just me but on this page , I struggled because if the HTML: code showing all over the page.

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