Simple question, however I suspect the answer isn't so straightforward. Any thoughts?

I believe a fast rod recovers from the flex to the standing point quicker than a slow actioned rod.

My take, A stiff tippy rod with little bend, takes quite a bit of line to load it and can in the right hands cast the tightest of loop.

Now, I have a Loop Evotec fast action rod, this bends to the middle but the recovery is very fast, meaning that it returns to straight quickly without any discernible tip wobble.

The new Loop cross s1 rods have a mid to tip action with a medium curve yet again the tip recovery is fast.....

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Hi Chaps, As far as I'm aware, it's the tip recovery after the casting stroke has stopped. Isn't that correct??

Using a Tachyon from Steve Parkes, the tip recovery is awesome and I mean super quick, with no vibration.

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To me it's a combination of tip action and fast recovery best seen with very light (leading to low inertia) high modulus modern carbons.

Although the Loop Evotec isn't tip action yet has a fast recovery, like I said can o worms

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high modulus carbon does, the term fast has changed though, back in the days of cane 'fast' meant 'fast taper' i.e. thick to thin over a short distance, which gave a faster action,
these days we talk of recovery rate, which is much the same thing in practical terms, i guess the common cents test is the way to determine or benchmark.

in crude terms stiff can be fast too, yet ironically my fastest rod, loomis max, is also my most bendy one...thats what makes this stuff interesting.

Ok, having spent a long time avoiding this part of of the forum I will bite.

Tip flex = fast action
Mid = mid action
Full flex = slow action.

I am still out on what progressive means as all rods are progressive, the more load you apply to them the deeper they bend.

Recover rate has nothing to do with action as it is something that happens independently of the caster, it is a subsequent measurement.
The action of a rod is based on the action an angler must impart to the rod to make a cast. Tip action rods need less stroke and arc for a given length of line when compared to a medium or soft action rod.

Short action = fast
Long action = slow

The action of rod is based on the taper that the rod is built to; whereas the recovery rate is down to the materials that the rod is built from.

Frank

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Ohanzee, you posted while while I was typing but I think you hit on an important point. which is that when these terms where first coined there was only one material to make a fly rod out of. However with the introduction of carbon fiber you can alter the properties of rod at a material level much easier. This makes the terms we use inadequate and obsolete.

No rod rating system will ever be truly universal as that will never be able to take into account all the subtle differences that make us, as casters, all enjoy different rods. Even the Common Cents System for example it rates the TXC well above that of the manufactures however for me personally the TCX #5 casts best with a #5.

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Frank, the action of a rod is designed and decided before we pick it up crudely put 'mid to tip', 'tip action' etc. certainly we can alter the stroke which may change that but its a bit confusing.

and 'long' and 'short' actions are new to me, did you just make that up