I have watched (several times) two simplified utube tutorials carefully showing the "Snap T Spey Cast". The lift, the D anchor, and power cast seem quite logical. However, the 2nd step of throwing the rod tip under which causes the line to elegantly send the line up river has left me wondering.

Can anyone explain who this forward motion sends line in reverse?
Much appreciated, in advance
flymph

You accelerate the rod upstream energising the line , you then snap the rod tip back under the line which passes over the top from the momemtum already applied, and make sure you move the rod tip far enough downstream that it pulls the eventual anchor back into a usable position.

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By this time any fish in the area will have left the pool, a truly awful cast that should be banned on salmon rivers.

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Yet, when done correctly causes less disturbance than a double spey, is easier than a single spey, and is very simple to teach and learn to do.

As for Salmon leaving pools because of a bad cast, are these the same fish that will bump anglers on their way upstream?

Malcolm,

Any spey cast performed badly with sends sprays of water everywhere. The snap casts just make things easier for us lesser mortals

Chris

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It might be easier to teach or learn than a single spey, but does it make it better? Learning to drive in a car with an automatic gearbox is easier to learn and teach but the majority make the effort to learn how to drive properly. It should be the same with spey casting. This season I have witnessed people snap t casting in spate conditions when the fish were virtually under their feet, till they started.

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Malcolm,

That comes down to rivercraft and experience, we can try to teach it but it comes with experience.

Single Spey Vs a Snap cast, I can do both, I use them both as well, prefer the snap casts for Shooting head work and bigger changes of direction, Single spey when there is a nice upstream wind. I do find it easier to teach the snap casts but the single spey performed correctly is a nice cast to watch, If you can jump roll then you can single spey, there isn't more to it than a jump roll with a rotation from the waist

I tend to teach the roll cast and OH cast, get these right and it sets the foundations for everything else


This is the best link I have found showing the hand movements for a Snap T cast

Chris

PS, how is the fishing?

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First of all, let me say thanks for the info. I certainly did not mean do rekindle a controversy and can assure all that my intentions are not to disturb fish, fisherman, or the entire ecosystem.

What I would like to do is to be more specific about my information request. I will be fishing a fairly remote stream that is typically high and difficult to fish. As a result it is impossible to wade out far enough to execute a back cast. In addition the entrance to the water is river running swiftly to the right. I am right handed. My equipment is a sage 11' 3" for 6 wt line with a Steelhead taper dry line. I realize that this is barely a spey combination.

All the video tutorials I have viewed show the fisherman facing down stream and making the final power cast at what appears to be either across or down stream.

My intentions are to cast up stream allowing the line to sink a heavily weighted streamer to gain depth by the time it reaches some anxious brown trout.

Thanks agian, in advance.
flymph

hello from Dutch Cees /the good snap t is short litle cast from back/forward
the fly/leader/line is for the rodtip, with litle d loop.

most wayt til have nice d loop /like spey.
do this not to fast .
some people /i see this in BC /north americas make much noise about this.
it does not know.
do ith right this snap ,you make smal loop cast [ further distance ]

Cees

Well if it's fast flowing I'd wait for the line to tension up, dangling it downstream allowing the current to lift it back up to the surface, then just in one movement lift it off the water and cast it upstream, but without the 'snap' element bringing the rod tip back downstream as it doesn't need to be brought back as you don't need to position an anchor. Basically allow the current to bring it up to the surface under tension, then with the rod pointing down stream at full extension smoothly lift it off the water, and lob it upstream.

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It's amazing how learners always want to learn how to do the technical things, the hard way, only to find that once experienced, you revert back to the easier way of doing things.

To the OP, what Darren is saying is that under tension the water current will plane the fly line forcing it up to the surface, as it hangs on the dangle below you, and keeping the line under tension, rod pointed down (no room for slack then), lift up and perform a back cast in the direction you want your flies to land, and instead of delivering your cast (forward) back to where you lifted it from, as per a normal stroke, you just allow your back cast to fall into the water, and that's you fishing. Keep it simple like so, no extra manoeuvres, less splash. This does have to be perfected with some trial and error though as too little power in the back stroke and you flies won't turn over, too much power and the cast will kick back resulting in your flies landing around the fly line.