hi noticed on some video`s of casting loop`s that some have a pointed loop.
what causes this ?
is it intentional /desirable .
can a caster see the pointed loop when he casts?
can you get a pointed loop on the back cast?

It's called a tight loop, and it is desirable most of the time. It is a result of a good cast, well timed and executed. One should attempt to achieve this.

Have a look here ...

Loop shapes

Helps to explain loop shape.

Cheers

Andy

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dd, you can get the the same or any loop on the back cast as the front with a bit of practice,
your maybe thinking of an arrow loop where a the angle of the stop shapes the loop and a very late haul keeps the top leg of the loop tight and flat,

i think it would be fair to say bog standard narrow loops are created by making the cast with just the tip of the rod, short casting arc and a long haul.

A good way to get a 'pointy' forward cast is to put in a lot of drift after the backcast stop is made - get the rod near horizontal. Then have a very high stop on the forward cast - not much past the vertical. Combine this with a late, fast haul and you should start seeing 'Vee' loops.

many thanks for the replies guys.
Time to let you all into my little secret.
I like to have a go at accuracy casting at the shows.
sometimes have trouble getting the line through the ring.
wondered if the pointy loop would be of any use.
although i usually just try to put the fluff through.
whole new meaning to fluff chucking.
does anyone else have a go.
also its a good way to try out a lot of different rods.

Although a pointy loop is desirable,as it is more aerodynamic, for casting through a ring they are not essential, all that you need is a loop narrower than the ring.


Try angling the rod more to the side so that the tip of the rod is approximately level with the center of the hoop*, that way the line/ loop will be passing straight through the ring rather than approaching it from an angle. The other advantage of this is that casting on the side tends to tighten peoples loops up.




* If that is possible? I am unsure about how the ring is set up

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its normally the hoop from a landing net stuck on a pole and about 1 metre or so in length.
I have tried side cast but found it harder to get accurate line up.
then there is also the speed thing to consider as you are against the clock.
THE UK FLY CASTING CHAMPIONSHIPS
RULES.
2 minutes practice.
2 minutes to score.
5 targets (set up on a clock face).
consisting of rings
1 +2.at (2 o`clock) laid flat at 8yds, and beyond that another ring at 12 yds.
3.at (1 o`clock) a "v" normally in the shape of a leaping salmon. at which you land the line across its back or in its mouth for double points.
4.at 11 o`clock is a vertical hoop (landing net hoop) also at 12yds.
5.at 10 o`clock a ring at 18yds
go round as many times as you can in the allotted time.


score as many hits as possible.
some competition`s you are only allowed three goes at each target before moving onto the next.
(this is where accurate casting comes into play).
other times you keep going until you score a hit then move on to the next.
(so a fast "whip" style casting is best suited to this one).

Hi Disco, Disco Duck, Mr Duck. Whichever you prefer

Do you know the diameter of the hoops your casting to, through.

Sounds like a fun thing to do, been toying with the idea of doing something like this. Should keep me off the streets.

Sean

I think that the top line of what you have written and the bottom line are related. It may be that you are having trouble with accuracy when side casing because you are over rotating the rod/casting with to wide an arc, sending the line diagonally across the body and well left of the target (assuming right handed caster). I suspect the reason you are over rotating is that you are putting to much power into the rod which in turn is giving you problems stopping the rod in the correct position.
Another reason for loss of accuracy when side casting is not keep the rod in traveling backwards and forwards in the same plain, that is as if you where sliding it across a table top without losing contact with it.
But given what you have already said I suspect the the first is more likely to be true.

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