Do some Casting Instructors make it Difficult for beginners to understand what they are Talking about by the Terminology they use?


Brian

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Yes,

keep it simple.

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Kevin

Feeling frisky tonight Brian?

Yes I think some instructors do. For me its about how terminology is used, keep it simple and give a good explanation of each term as they are introduced. I do think though the closer we get to a common language the easier it is to spread the knowledge.

Probably the most important thing to remember is to teach the person not the sport.


Frank

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"Creep", "thrust", "loop morphing", "negative curve". Who could possibly be confused!.

Yet language is needed to communicate at different levels. The above are necessary concepts for conversations between instructors it would appear.

Malcolm

Yes Malcom you are right.But I have been at events where some of the best Casters Including Distance Casters were there and they kept it simple.
I am guilty as Charged but no more quoting from books(that is easy) Keep it sweet and simple and to the point.
Frank feeling frisky,roll on the start of the season


Brian

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Glossary of terms, Disscusion.

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Johan Janssens

Yes ... and in addition, who of us out there ever reads the glossary of terms until we're at a stage where getting into the semantics is important?

KISS principle applies!

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I doubt that any 'instructor' worth the name would deliberately make it complicated. The basic role of the instructor is to observe, analyse and then break down the casting action into simple, understandable steps.

The problem comes when you attempt to describe, often very subtle, movements or even sensations in words and especially when there's not the opportunity to demonstrate or model what you mean by the words. The recent 'Wrist Casting' thread being a prime example.

The 'problem' is worse when you get a group of people together who have an interest in the mechanics of casting. There is no definitive 'dictionary' of the language of casting but within GAIA a considerable amount of discussion and work has been undertaken to establish a clearer understanding of many of the common terms and expressions that are often employed to descibe aspects of casting.

From my own perspective, when I set off on the casting 'path', it was the 'language' that proved to be one of the major limitors to understanding.

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Then this should be dealt with, before you take up the task of teaching it or discussing it. Language is (till further notice) our primary way of communication. Making sure to determine and to clarify the terms you want to use in a discussion is of the utmost importance. In a serious conversation it's just a matter of courtesy.

Johan

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Johan Janssens

Yes Paul these are what I try to adhere to.
The "wrist thread" also highlights one other problem as I see it. The renaming of Casts and making the explanation of them more complex than need be.
Beginners must look at these threads and think who do these guys think they are ,brain surgeons.
Don,t lets forget that until we venture further into casting, and we stick to the basics it is a relatively easy process to learn. Most Anglers can cast to a fashion anyway,ok it may need tweaked here and there.
I blame a bit on Casting Clubs as you have the same set of people most weeks and the Casting get,s more complex. Our club stopped taking total beginners as it then became a beginners club(we have a separate one) and some of them were losing out as they were trying out the more difficult casts and missing the basics. They didn't want to start at the beginning and I believe a bad foundation, the building will fall down. The core group of more advanced casters can blab on about "negative curves,snap t,v loops until there heart is content,or reinvent others.


Brian

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