Probably an odd question,but I'll ask anyway.

Is there a length/speed of haul ratio,in regard to the amount of line being carried. Ie if your holding up 30 foot of line. Should your haul be 3 inches long or 6 inches long or whatever ? Sounds ideal I know.

And should your hauling hand,match the speed of your rod hand,or move faster or slower than said rod hand.

Sean

A shorter and faster haul, is always better than a longer slower hauls. A six inch haul, performed very quickly is what you ideally want. It is the timing of the haul and release that is of critical importance. On the forward cast, the line should be hauled only when the rod passes the vertical above your head. 30 feet of line being carried overhead is a helluva lot. The line should have been hauled and shot out, long before you have aerialised so much line.

H Andre, thankyou for taking the time to answer my question, but I think there may be some crossed wires going on. Regarding the amount of line carried. I mean the first 30 feet of line,the standard head length of a weight forward line.

Perhaps you thought I mean't metres.

Sean

Hi Sean, I will send you over an article have on hauling by Al Kyte. I am not at liberty to post it on the forum but if any body else would like a copy PM me your email addy and I will forward it on.

In relation to haul length I would say the easiest way to put it is that the longer the cast the longer the haul, haul speed should also be proportionate to the cast speed.
As Andre has said that the haul should come in the last part of the cast as the rod tip is approaching its maximum speed, basically towards the stop.

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I think I understood correctly, you are aerialising 30 feet of line, which is about 10 meters, or the full taper. The rest of the line is level, or commonly called the running section. If you are hauling, to shoot the line out, you seldom need to have so much line in the air. The haul only serves to provide more line speed, and therefore more kinetic energy to flatten the loop, and allow the line to shoot out of the rod tip. To illustrate the point, perform a false cast, with about half that amount of line out of the rod tip, and as the rod comes forward, perform a short fast haul. you will find that you will be able to shoot just as much line, with 15 feet aerialised, as you would with 30 feet. When hauling, the amount of line out of the rod tip is quite relevant, as you need to transfer the energy into the belly, or taper. Once the taper is out of the rod tip, the haul actually works against you, as you are transfering most of the energy into the running section, and this will simply cause you to become fatiged, and dissapointed with the result.

pretty much what Frank said, short stroke - short haul, longer stroke - longer haul,
a haul has to accellerate to be effective, a haul that slows down absorbs energy but you can use that to do interesting things with your turn over,

you can have a longer or faster haul than the stroke, actually you can cast with just a haul barely moving the rod hand, but the haul shouldnt stop short of the tip stopping.

3 inches is not much, you would have to start hauling very late in the stroke or you would be stopping too early, i'd say if learning it would be easier to make the haul fractionally longer than the length of the stroke.

That is by far the funniest statement I have ever read on here. To begin, 15ft of line will not load the rod properly so if I want to cast to 60ft, with 15 ft of line out I need to shoot 45 ft or I could carry 40ft and shoot 20ft......which is easier

To end with a question, if all you need is a 6 inch quick haul and to carry 15 ft of line to cast a long way, why do distance casters carry 80ft of line and haul about 5ft?

Frank has is right in his post

Chris

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Frank is this the Al Kyte article "The Casting Clinic: The Double Haul"? If so it's publicly available on the FFF site

http://www.fedflyfishers.org/Portals...doublehaul.pdf

Cheers, Andrew

i dont think thats what he ment, those loop lines with really heavy short heads shoot more than they carry without any haul

i think all he ment was there is a point on the line where it shoots quite effortlessly.

I'm glad I was able to make your day with a laugh at my funny statement.
I don't know why distance casters do that, I cannot comment, but I suspect that their specialist lines allow for the aerialising of so much line. Distance casting is a completely different thing to casting a normal flyline. I am talking about a standard flyline and a normal rod for fishing purposses.
The less line aerialised, the better, otherwise you are working against gravity, which needs to be compensated for, by a longer haul, and more line speed. It makes perfect sense to aerialise as litte line as possible, to prevent gravity from absorbing much of the energy. If you do it properly, you will be amazed at the length of line that can be shot out with a short fast haul, timed correctly, and, yes. with a corectly loaded rod, with half the taper in the air, about 15 feet. The taper is designed for the accelleration of the energy transfer along the taper, and the running section is designed to follow the taper. You can haul as much as you like on the running section, but it is simply not going to give you an effective energy transfer, as you would get if you were to haul on the taper. This is why you can only shoot 20 feet, when carrying 40 feet. The other way around is far easier. It requires far less effort, to carry 20 feet, and shoot 40 feet.
And I don't see why a rod shouldn't load with 15 feet of line in the air. If it can't, it's either a rubbish rod, or a rubbish hand that is holding it. The haul is precisely for the purpose of creasting more line speed to load the rod, and to therefore release. ie. shoot.