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Old 29-04-2010, 06:28 AM
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I recently bought a second-hand 19foot sheelin, trailer and 15hp engine. The guy i bought it off assured me it had just been serviced. Just to make sure i sent it in for another service before the start of the season and had the plugs changed and gear oil etc. Question is it is having difficulty starting first time. In fact it takes a good few pulls before it starts up properly. But once it does and is given a good run it then starts first time for the remainder of the day. I am pretty sure i am getting the fuel mix spot on etc. Any ideas???
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Old 29-04-2010, 02:27 PM
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What brand of outboard and what size?

I'm going to take a couple of logical guesses, but brand and HP matters.

First you have to understand, when it comes to 2 strokes, engines are like people--they all have their preferred starting ritual. The combination of prime, choke, throttle setting, number of pulls with choke on, then off, etc. Find the right ritual and do it every time, and they'll fire in 2-3 pulls. Don't have the ritual right? You'll be pulling until your arm falls off. When you start the engine, note exactly HOW you did it and the sequence in which you did these things.

If it's hard starting here's what I'd try:

- I'm assuming your fuel is good and hasn't been sitting in the tank for years. If you don't know this for a fact, I'd personally drain the tank, run the fuel through a chamois filter, then put it aside and burn it in something else and get a full tank of fresh fuel and oil.

BTW, 2 stroke engines LOVE preimum fuel. Yeah, you can run them on regular no-lead, but preimum runs so much better that to me it's worth the extra few bucks per tank for small outboards.

- Assuming an external fuel tank, are you pumping up the primer bulb on the hose between the fuel tank and the engine before you attempt to start the motor? If not, you need to squeeze that bulb until it's hard to get fuel pressure built up in the line or you'll be pulling until your arm falls off.

Then if the engine doesn't fire in 3-5 pulls, pump this bulb again because you may have moved enough fuel to depressurize the line.

Personally, given what you described, this is my leading contender for what might be the problem. You're either not pumping this bulb at all, or not pumping it hard enough.

- Does your engine have a primer on the controls or built into the choke lever? Some (not all) engines have this second primer to give the engine a shot right into the carb.

With some Johnsons and Evinrudes, the choke lever had a primer pump, so moving the lever back and forth delivers a shot of fuel into the carb. If so, give the engine two shots of primer, then pull 5 times, then choke off and pull 5 more, then choke on, 2 more shots of primer, etc.

The owners manual will tell you about this stuff, it's not always obvious. For example on my 25 HP Johnson, you'd never know the choke lever and the primer control are one in the same. It's not obvious and if you know it, it starts in 3 pulls. If you don't know the primer is there, you can pull forever.

Beyond this, it's hard to say without knowing exactly what you have for an engine.

Personally, on every new-to-me outboard, I'd dump a few ounces of Sea Foam fuel system cleaner in the tank and then when you get it started, drive it like you stole it for about half an hour. No joking, give that thing the old Italian tune-up by winding it up for a couple of full throttle trips around the lake, do a few idle/WOT/idle/WOT hole shots, and really wring her out to get the sh!t out of carb and fuel system.

Most outboard suffer from neglect more than they actually need repairs. The best running outboards are the ones that get run 3 times a week or more.

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Old 29-04-2010, 04:19 PM
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I'd say Grouse has addressed your problem in great detail. I'd say its that your not pumping the fuel bulb or that you need to pull out the choke. As soon as the engine starts then shut off the choke. Again like Grouse says no two outboards are the same and all have their own ritual to get them started, I have had a Mariner,Evinrude and a Yamaha and they all were different.
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Hi Guys, Its a mariner, 2005model with the gears on the handle. Yes i am priming the bulb and using the choke. I am only getting the opportunity to take it out every couple of weeks so that may be the problem.
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Is it a 2 stroke or 4 stroke? If the former 1:100mix. The latter no mix. It's a bad buy anyway. Get it right and bring it to Flood's in Omagh
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2 stroke and yes the mix is 100:1, i am aware of that much. Bad buy? Why so?
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Hi Guys, Its a mariner, 2005model with the gears on the handle. Yes i am priming the bulb and using the choke. I am only getting the opportunity to take it out every couple of weeks so that may be the problem.
OK, but are you re-pumping the fuel line primer bulb after you pull the first couple of times and it doesn't start?

Also, some engines need that primer bulb to be pumped HARD. Especially if you don't have a secondary primer mechanism up on the actual outboard and I don't recall newer Mercury outboards having one.

The question with hard-starting 2 strokes is are they getting too much fuel or too little? When the engine starts, does it sputter and smell like raw fuel even once the choke is off? Or does it sputter and die and then take a few more pulls to start and keep running.

If it smells of raw fuel, it's flooding. Try starting by pulling with the choke off for 3 pulls first, then choke on for 3, then off, etc.

But you have to have reasonable expectations when it sits for weeks between uses. 4-8 pulls isn't unusual to get a fire lit in something that's sat around.

Overall, I'm going to guess this thing has sat around in storage and your carb is a little gummed up with dried 2 stroke oil. See my post above about giving it some Sea Foam and a good old Italian tune up and it'll start better I'm betting. A good high-speed run and a couple of gallons of fuel to wash out the crud, and it'll be a happy Mariner.

BTW, Mercury/Mariners are good outboards and I love that all-on-the-tiller gearshift. You'll get plenty of years out of yours.


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OK, but are you re-pumping the fuel line primer bulb after you pull the first couple of times and it doesn't start?

Also, some engines need that primer bulb to be pumped HARD. Especially if you don't have a secondary primer mechanism up on the actual outboard and I don't recall newer Mercury outboards having one.

The question with hard-starting 2 strokes is are they getting too much fuel or too little? When the engine starts, does it sputter and smell like raw fuel even once the choke is off? Or does it sputter and die and then take a few more pulls to start and keep running.

If it smells of raw fuel, it's flooding. Try starting by pulling with the choke off for 3 pulls first, then choke on for 3, then off, etc.

But you have to have reasonable expectations when it sits for weeks between uses. 4-8 pulls isn't unusual to get a fire lit in something that's sat around.

Overall, I'm going to guess this thing has sat around in storage and your carb is a little gummed up with dried 2 stroke oil. See my post above about giving it some Sea Foam and a good old Italian tune up and it'll start better I'm betting. A good high-speed run and a couple of gallons of fuel to wash out the crud, and it'll be a happy Mariner.

BTW, Mercury/Mariners are good outboards and I love that all-on-the-tiller gearshift. You'll get plenty of years out of yours.


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Next time out Val when you are coming in at the end of the day disconnect the fuel line about 50yards from shore and drive in as normal. Let the engine run out of fuel. Next time round she should start alot easier. I've been doing that for years and never have a problem
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Thanks seanie i will give that a try as well.
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