well we are back from fishing nothing caught but nothing lost either and i would like to say a massive thankx to you fish wife thats made the wee mans day that has and ill make sure he gets good use of it as ill need to show im not misrable either noo and buy him some tying material and give him some of mine too i love the way he is aboot the fishin its great just hope he sticks to it and gives me plenty of shown ups over the years well wouldnt most dads as their is just so much rotten things they could be doing so lets hope the bug sticks ill be doing my best to keep it alive thanks again everyone the weeman has been asking for a forum membership for a while and noo im glad i let him their are good people left in the world it is true